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Posted: October 20th, 2013, 2:43 pm
by darrensolomonj
Hi everyone, I'm getting started on participles but I don't quite understand how some participles are in the nominative like πιστεύων and λεγων.
From what I learnt, it should be verb + morpheme + case ending.
What I thought it would be is something like this: πιστευ + ντ + ς
Am I supposed to use the root or the first person verb?
πιστευω + ντ + ς
Does sigma drop out?
I think I'm missing out some rules here, really appreciate it if anybody could help me out:)



Re: πιστεύων

Posted: October 20th, 2013, 3:30 pm
by Stephen Carlson
You need a connecting vowel (also called the "thematic vowel") between the stem and the participle ending, as πιστευ-ο-ντ-ς. Then the -οντς coalesces to -ων.

Re: πιστεύων

Posted: October 21st, 2013, 2:20 am
by RandallButh
You are actually discussing two different topics.

One topic is learning a language, where a person learns real words like τοῦ γράφοντος, τὸ λαλοῦν, τὸν αγαπῶντα
All ancient Greeks learned the language from real words. Presumably, the goal of language learning is to develop the highest fluency in the shortest time. To do so requires real language use with real words and without outside processes.

the other topic is the history of how words were developed. The above words came via
τοῦ γράφοντος, τὸ *λαλέον, τὸν *αγαπάοντα
You can see the -ντ- history in some of the remaining forms, and you can also see the interactions of various vowel endings -ε- and -α-.

However, it is very important to learn real words in context. If a person learns "rules" they will teach their brain to leave real language mode and enter an outside-language analytical mode when reading Greek. Eventually, they will learn to do this very fast, but it will still have the effect of wiring the language into a non-language framework in the brain. This is not the path to fluency in a language. It is a proverbial "short road that ends up the longer road"

Instead, a person must use real words in real contexts in order to build fluency. Then, with the language infrastructure in place as a functioning language, a person can discuss the history to one's content and at whichever level one desires. This is the "long road that ends up the short road."