In Acts 5:3, what is the function of σε?

Bill Ross
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Re: In Acts 5:3, what is the function of σε?

Post by Bill Ross » May 13th, 2020, 2:48 pm

That "Lowfat" looks like a nifty tool. Thanks for the useful list. I'll have a look.

As far as grammars go, I lost my entire library in a fire of sorts some years ago and now rely on the internet.

Off topic for this site but an interesting discovery I've made about Acts 5 is the clear parallel with 1 Kings 14:

https://www.blueletterbible.org/nlt/1ki/14/6/s_305006

And LXX Deuteronomy 33:29:

https://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/33-29.htm

Thanks again!
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Re: In Acts 5:3, what is the function of σε?

Post by Jonathan Robie » May 13th, 2020, 2:56 pm

Bill Ross wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 2:48 pm
As far as grammars go, I lost my entire library in a fire of sorts some years ago and now rely on the internet.
I think you will need a good grammar. Increasingly, I am using Kindle editions instead of or in addition to my paper books, which provide better insulation for the walls.
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Re: In Acts 5:3, what is the function of σε?

Post by Barry Hofstetter » May 14th, 2020, 8:41 am

Jonathan Robie wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 2:56 pm
Bill Ross wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 2:48 pm
As far as grammars go, I lost my entire library in a fire of sorts some years ago and now rely on the internet.
I think you will need a good grammar. Increasingly, I am using Kindle editions instead of or in addition to my paper books, which provide better insulation for the walls.
I use nearly all electronic references as well. It's just a lot easier to carry around a phone or a computer than a shopping cart full of the LSJ, BDAG, L&N, Smyth, BDF, oh and for Latin the OLD and L&S, well, you get the idea!

Bill, let me also suggest spending some good systematic time in a beginning grammar better to understand basic concepts and build a solid foundation for moving forward. People on this list will be more than glad to help you. Now this is usually where Shirley pipes in about her materials, which are quite helpful, so a shout out to her before she gets a chance!
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Re: In Acts 5:3, what is the function of σε?

Post by Jonathan Robie » May 14th, 2020, 8:57 am

I often find myself using the Cambridge Grammar of Classical Greek instead of Smyth these days. I often find myself using Siebenthal instead of A.T. Robertson these days. They are easier to read, with great examples. Siebenthal is in German, but it is being translated, I hope the translation is good.

Rijksbaron's Syntax and Semantics of the Verb in Classical Greek is the best overall overview I have seen.
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Post by nathaniel j. erickson » May 14th, 2020, 9:31 am

Siebenthal is in German, but it is being translated, I hope the translation is good.
The translation is finished. Here is the English version: https://www.amazon.com/Ancient-Greek-Gr ... 1789975867. According to the preface, it is basically a slightly-edited and slightly-expanded (primarily with regard to issues of text-coherence) version of the German work. I haven't seen it yet, but really hope to get it soon.
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Re: In Acts 5:3, what is the function of σε?

Post by Bill Ross » May 14th, 2020, 10:13 am

I am currently having a look at Siebenthal at Amazon and it appears that the lion's share of the print edition is available in their "Look inside!" preview feature so, having the milk I probably won't buy the $67.95 cow, but I am now much better equipped. Thanks for pointing me to the resource.

May I ask one more question about Acts 5:3? Is σε pleonastic? Is the fact that it is postpositive significant or is it perhaps to avoid an unpalatable proximity to σου? For some reason it irks me!

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Re: In Acts 5:3, what is the function of σε?

Post by Bill Ross » May 14th, 2020, 10:52 am

Is it perhaps emphatic, along the lines of: "Ananias, how were YOU enticed by the enemy to deceive the holy breath [within the apostles] and conceal part of the land?" IE: "YOU should know better!"
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Re: In Acts 5:3, what is the function of σε?

Post by Barry Hofstetter » May 14th, 2020, 11:42 am

Jonathan Robie wrote:
May 14th, 2020, 8:57 am
I often find myself using the Cambridge Grammar of Classical Greek instead of Smyth these days. I often find myself using Siebenthal instead of A.T. Robertson these days. They are easier to read, with great examples. Siebenthal is in German, but it is being translated, I hope the translation is good.

Rijksbaron's Syntax and Semantics of the Verb in Classical Greek is the best overall overview I have seen.
I have CGCG, but only have spot checked it from time to time. My suggestion so far is don't get rid of Smyth, but use them in tandem. Somebody tapped me to do a review of English Seibenthal for their journal and ordered me a review copy, but who knows when I'll get it?
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Re: In Acts 5:3, what is the function of σε?

Post by Barry Hofstetter » May 14th, 2020, 11:49 am

Bill Ross wrote:
May 14th, 2020, 10:52 am
Is it perhaps emphatic, along the lines of: "Ananias, how were YOU enticed by the enemy to deceive the holy breath [within the apostles] and conceal part of the land?" IE: "YOU should know better!"
Bill, it's certainly not pleonastic, it's normal syntax to express the subject of the infinitive when it's different from subject of the main verb. As for emphatic, I think the placement of ψεύσασθαι is what's emphatic, giving the fact of lying some stress.
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Re: In Acts 5:3, what is the function of σε?

Post by Bill Ross » May 14th, 2020, 11:51 am

Thank you Jeffrey, that makes more contextual sense, I think, and puts my concerns to rest.
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