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γεγεγεννημενον in P66 (John 3:6)

Posted: October 10th, 2018, 12:20 am
by Jacob Rhoden
I understand that the only reason this slightly entertaining reduplication in P66 would have occurred would be scribal error. Is that correct?

Is there any ancient/historical/linguistic reason that there might be any reason to suspect otherwise? I've never (for example) heard of a "pluperfect" participle.
τὸ γεγεννημένον ἐκ τῆς σαρκὸς σάρξ ἐστιν, καὶ τὸ γεγεννημένον ἐκ τοῦ πνεύματος πνεῦμά ἐστιν.

Re: γεγεγεννημενον in P66 (John 3:6)

Posted: October 10th, 2018, 6:21 am
by Ken M. Penner
It's just a scribal error.
Note that the first γε is at the end of one line, and the rest (γεγεννημενον) is on the next line.

Re: γεγεγεννημενον in P66 (John 3:6)

Posted: October 10th, 2018, 9:13 am
by Barry Hofstetter
Dittography of a sort, right? But I like the description of it as "slightly entertaining," like the little girl who knew how to spell "banana" but didn't know when to stop.

Re: γεγεγεννημενον in P66 (John 3:6)

Posted: October 10th, 2018, 11:31 pm
by Jacob Rhoden
Thanks! I figured that was the case, but I just wanted to double check. The fact that it runs over the end of a line is interesting, I only saw this information in the CNTTS apparatus, not the original document.

I love the Banana analogy, it does feel just like that 😄

Re: γεγεγεννημενον in P66 (John 3:6)

Posted: October 11th, 2018, 12:10 am
by S Walch
The INTF's transcription of it is here: http://ntvmr.uni-muenster.de/community/ ... ormat=html / http://ntvmr.uni-muenster.de/manuscript ... pageID=120

Unfortunately the images aren't permitted to be on the INTF =/

Re: γεγεγεννημενον in P66 (John 3:6)

Posted: March 28th, 2019, 6:59 am
by Peter Streitenberger
Dear friends,

some years ago I did a small research on P66 with the following results:

Passages with Singular readings:
John 1:1ff, 8f, 11ff, 27, 29, 33ff, 45, 49f; 2:9ff, 15, 19f, 22f, 25; 3:2f, 6, 8, 11ff, 16, 19ff, 31ff; 4:1ff, 5f, 9, 11, 14f, 21, 31, 36, 39, 42, 48; 5:2, 5f, 8, 11, 14, 16, 19, 22ff, 26, 28ff, 33, 36f, 39, 43ff; 6:1f, 5, 7f, 10f, 35, 40ff, 51f, 54, 60ff, 68ff; 7:3f, 8f, 13f, 18ff, 22, 24, 26ff, 30, 33, 35ff, 40ff, 45, 52; 8:12, 14, 16f, 19f, 25, 28, 34, 37ff, 42, 44, 46, 48ff, 53ff, 58f; 9:1ff, 10, 12ff, 19, 21ff, 34f, 37, 39, 41; 10:3ff, 8, 10, 12f, 15f, 18, 20f, 27, 29, 32ff, 36ff, 40ff; 11:1ff, 5ff, 13, 15ff, 19ff, 33f, 38ff, 42, 45, 49f, 53f, 56; 12:1f, 5, 8f, 11ff, 16, 19, 22f,

71 singular Omissions at John 1:4; 2:20, 25; 3:19, 21, 31, 36; 4:6, 36, 39, 48; 5:23, 36; 6:1, 40, 42, 52, 54; 7:22, 37; 8:46, 50; 9:27f; 10:29; 11:5, 25, 34, 39, 45, 50, 54; 12:2, 11, 48; 13:1, 16, 19; 14:12; 15:10, 25; 16:19; 17:8f, 11f, 16; 18:2, 5, 12, 15, 17, 38; 19:5f, 13ff, 17, 28, 38f; 20:30

94 Nonsens readings: EGEIS, BPTIZEIN (sic), PAURION, MQERMENEUOMENON, TOU ISHF, E, SAUTON, MEAQHTAI, ONN, RAMBEI, GEGEGENHMENON, PNEUA, APTALMENOS, TH NUMFHN, ANOQ, MEROU, EA, KAII, DEDWKEN K, OFALMOS, DHRION, ARATOS, SIMON PEPTROS, DIABOS ctl. A complete list: John 1:22, 27, 33, 35, 38, 45; 2:10ff, 22; 3:2, 6, 8, 28f, 31, 34; 4:48; 5:19, 33, 36; 6:5, 7, 41, 61, 63, 68, 70; 7:4, 9, 13, 18, 20, 24, 26, 33, 41; 8:12, 14, 20, 37f, 42, 44, 49, 51, 53, 55; 9:10, 16, 22, 24f, 39, 41; 10:8, 10, 12, 15f, 20f, 32, 37; 11:38; 12:5, 8, 13, 23,

Not a few grammatical no-goes (needs a debate, so too much this time): missing predicates, subjects and other constituents.

Ad rem: One further example of a Dittography is e.g. in John 5.16 kai dia to touto (the "to" is simply too much).

I my view: one if not THE worst copy of the NT (at least the worst I read). P.