Question regarding κατ’ ἰδίαν
Posted: April 23rd, 2013, 1:01 pm
It appears that when ἴδιος follows κατά in the N.T. (such as κατ’ ἰδίαν) it is usually in the feminine form. I was wondering why that might be.
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In other words, it's in the feminine form because that's the idiom ...David Lim wrote:κατ ιδιαν [χωραν] (idiom) = privately
I know that in English there are reasons for certain idioms and others ... well not so much.Jonathan Robie wrote:In other words, it's in the feminine form because that's the idiom ...David Lim wrote:κατ ιδιαν [χωραν] (idiom) = privately
Thanks.Stephen Carlson wrote:Some sort of feminine noun is implied by the idiom. Whether it's χώρα, ψυχή, or some other noun, I haven't been able to tell (neither full phrase generates any hits on TLG), but since it's an idiom that doesn't really matter anymore.
http://books.google.com.sg/books?id=bhx ... J&pg=PA157 confirms my guess, and might be useful concerning other ellipses too.Stephen Carlson wrote:Some sort of feminine noun is implied by the idiom. Whether it's χώρα, ψυχή, or some other noun, I haven't been able to tell (neither full phrase generates any hits on TLG), but since it's an idiom that doesn't really matter anymore.
It's interesting speculation but it does not actually confirm anything because he cites no evidence of the longer phrase.David Lim wrote:http://books.google.com.sg/books?id=bhx ... J&pg=PA157 confirms my guess, and might be useful concerning other ellipses too.Stephen Carlson wrote:Some sort of feminine noun is implied by the idiom. Whether it's χώρα, ψυχή, or some other noun, I haven't been able to tell (neither full phrase generates any hits on TLG), but since it's an idiom that doesn't really matter anymore.
Yes it didn't provide proof, but perhaps he was relying on "similar" phrases like "εις την ιδιαν χωραν" to infer the ellipsis?Stephen Carlson wrote:It's interesting speculation but it does not actually confirm anything because he cites no evidence of the longer phrase.David Lim wrote:http://books.google.com.sg/books?id=bhx ... J&pg=PA157 confirms my guess, and might be useful concerning other ellipses too.Stephen Carlson wrote:Some sort of feminine noun is implied by the idiom. Whether it's χώρα, ψυχή, or some other noun, I haven't been able to tell (neither full phrase generates any hits on TLG), but since it's an idiom that doesn't really matter anymore.