Trivia: The words Καινὴ Διαθήκη?

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Trivia: The words Καινὴ Διαθήκη?

Post by Stephen Hughes » January 13th, 2014, 5:11 pm

In Greek, the New Testament is called "Καινὴ Διαθήκη".

Does the phrase "Καινὴ Διαθήκη" occur in the New Testament?
If "YES" how many times / where?

Suplimentary:
Does the phrase occur in the LXX? etc.
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Re: Trivia: The words Καινὴ Διαθήκη?

Post by cwconrad » January 13th, 2014, 6:16 pm

Stephen Hughes wrote:In Greek, the New Testament is called "Καινὴ Διαθήκη".

Does the phrase "Καινὴ Διαθήκη" occur in the New Testament?
If "YES" how many times / where?.
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Luke 22:2] καὶ τὸ ποτήριον ὡσαύτως μετὰ τὸ δειπνῆσαι, λέγων· τοῦτο τὸ ποτήριον ἡ καινὴ διαθήκη ἐν τῷ αἵματί μου τὸ ὑπὲρ ὑμῶν ἐκχυννόμενον.
1 Cor 11:25 ὡσαύτως καὶ τὸ ποτήριον μετὰ τὸ δειπνῆσαι λέγων· τοῦτο τὸ ποτήριον ἡ καινὴ διαθήκη ἐστὶν ἐν τῷ ἐμῷ αἵματι· τοῦτο ποιεῖτε, ὁσάκις ἐὰν πίνητε, εἰς τὴν ἐμὴν ἀνάμνησιν.
Stephen Hughes wrote:Supplementary:
Does the phrase occur in the LXX? etc.
Jawohl!
Jer 38:31 (=31:31) Ἰδοὺ ἡμέραι ἔρχονται, φησὶν κύριος, καὶ διαθήσομαι τῷ οἴκῳ Ισραηλ καὶ τῷ οἴκῳ Ιουδα διαθήκην καινήν,
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ἀλλὰ χρόνῳ ζητέοντες ἐφευρίσκουσιν ἄμεινον. (Xenophanes, Fragment 16)

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Re: Trivia: The words Καινὴ Διαθήκη?

Post by Stephen Hughes » January 13th, 2014, 7:46 pm

cwconrad wrote:2x
Luke 22:2, 1 Cor 11:25
Es tut mir leid, mein lieber Herr Conrad, diese beiden sind gute, aber es gibt weitere.
(Good start, but there's more)
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Re: Trivia: The words Καινὴ Διαθήκη?

Post by cwconrad » January 13th, 2014, 8:30 pm

Stephen Hughes wrote:
cwconrad wrote:2x
Luke 22:2, 1 Cor 11:25
Es tut mir leid, mein lieber Herr Conrad, diese beiden sind gute, aber es gibt weitere.
(Good start, but there's more)
Heb. 8:8 cites the text of Jer 31:31:
μεμφόμενος γὰρ αὐτοὺς λέγει·
ἰδοὺ ἡμέραι ἔρχονται, λέγει κύριος,
καὶ συντελέσω ἐπὶ τὸν οἶκον Ἰσραὴλ
καὶ ἐπὶ τὸν οἶκον Ἰούδα διαθήκην καινήν ...
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οὔτοι ἀπ’ ἀρχῆς πάντα θεοὶ θνητοῖς ὑπέδειξαν,
ἀλλὰ χρόνῳ ζητέοντες ἐφευρίσκουσιν ἄμεινον. (Xenophanes, Fragment 16)

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Re: Trivia: The words Καινὴ Διαθήκη?

Post by Stephen Hughes » January 13th, 2014, 8:46 pm

Noch weitere... (Keep going...)
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Re: Trivia: The words Καινὴ Διαθήκη?

Post by S Walch » January 15th, 2014, 10:56 pm

2 Cor 3:6
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Re: Trivia: The words Καινὴ Διαθήκη?

Post by Stephen Hughes » January 15th, 2014, 11:34 pm

cwconrad wrote:Luke 22:2, 1 Cor 11:25 ... Heb. 8:8
S Walch wrote:2 Cor 3:6
I believe there are more. The question is still open.
cwconrad wrote:Jer 38:31 (=31:31)
This is the only one that I am aware of in the LXX, but I would be surprised if there were no more.
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Re: Trivia: The words Καινὴ Διαθήκη?

Post by S Walch » January 16th, 2014, 4:59 am

Heb 9:15 is the final one.

Unless there's a variant in a manuscript at Heb 12:24 for διαθήκης νέας.

Plus there really is only the one διαθήκην καινήν in the LXX. There are quite a lot of διαθήκη/ν/ς κυριου though (62) and διαθήκη/ν/ς μου (46).
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Re: Trivia: The words Καινὴ Διαθήκη?

Post by Mike Baber » January 17th, 2014, 4:35 pm

BlueLetterBible has a nifty search function that allows you to combine Strong's numbers in a search for multiple words occuring in the same verse. Probably less time consuming than using Logos or whatever one uses for more intensive searches.

Here's the result:

http://www.blbclassic.org/search/transl ... 2537&t=KJV

For LXX, I searched for the Hebrew equivalent, with the expectation that the Greek mirrored the Hebrew:

http://www.blbclassic.org/search/transl ... 1285&t=KJV

It's only one verse, so not hard to verify that.
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Re: Trivia: The words Καινὴ Διαθήκη?

Post by Stephen Hughes » January 18th, 2014, 6:08 am

Mike Baber wrote:BlueLetterBible...

http://www.blbclassic.org/search/transl ... 2537&t=KJV
It seems that the other two verses I was counting on being included - Matthew 26:28 and Mark 14:24 - use the phrase in TR/Byz but not in SBL/NAUSB, so there are 2 correct answers dependent on the text one uses.

Blue letter Bible must use the TR or Byz as the basis of the search.
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