Rev 21.4d Syriac back-translated into Greek

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Re: Rev 21.4d Syriac back-translated into Greek

Post by RandallButh » March 9th, 2014, 12:35 pm

In Hebrew and Aramaic פנים and אפין are in the plural for both 'face' and 'surface'.

While we don't know how the Syriac made a mess of things, they did.
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Re: Rev 21.4d Syriac back-translated into Greek

Post by Stirling Bartholomew » March 9th, 2014, 3:29 pm

RandallButh wrote:In Hebrew and Aramaic פנים and אפין are in the plural for both 'face' and 'surface'.

While we don't know how the Syriac made a mess of things, they did.
Yes they did, but it seems that all we have of the Syriac for the Apocalypse of John is one six century MS and later revisions of it. So if we were looking only at on Greek MS e.g. Sinaiticus it would also be a mess. In fact reading Juan Hernandez[1] on Sinaiticus in the Apocalypse has been somewhat of eye opener.


[1]Juan Hernández Jr., Scribal Habits and Theological Influences in the Apocalypse: The Singular Readings of Sinaiticus, Alexandrinus, and Ephraemi (WUNT 2 .218; Tubingen: Mohr Siebeck, 2006. 54.00. pp. xvii + 241. ISBN 3—16 —149112 —2)

Thanks again Randall.
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Re: Rev 21.4d Syriac back-translated into Greek

Post by David Lim » March 9th, 2014, 10:05 pm

RandallButh wrote:In Hebrew and Aramaic פנים and אפין are in the plural for both 'face' and 'surface'.
But it's grammatically singular even though morphologically plural (Gen 19:1), like water (Gen 18:4), right?
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Re: Rev 21.4d Syriac back-translated into Greek

Post by RandallButh » March 10th, 2014, 1:27 am

David Lim wrote:
RandallButh wrote:In Hebrew and Aramaic פנים and אפין are in the plural for both 'face' and 'surface'.
But it's grammatically singular even though morphologically plural (Gen 19:1), like water (Gen 18:4), right?
you mean like mayim is grammatically plural.
gen 19.1 appaim is dual.
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Re: Rev 21.4d Syriac back-translated into Greek

Post by Stephen Carlson » March 10th, 2014, 1:46 am

I think I should remind people that B-Hebrew exists too.
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Re: Rev 21.4d Syriac back-translated into Greek

Post by RandallButh » March 10th, 2014, 2:40 am

point taken.

Just keeping the interface with prosopa clean.
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