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Rev 12:2 βασανιζομένη τεκεῖν

Posted: April 7th, 2016, 10:25 am
by Stephen Hughes
Revelation 12:2 (NA-UBS) wrote:καὶ ἐν γαστρὶ ἔχουσα, καὶ κράζει ὠδίνουσα καὶ βασανιζομένη τεκεῖν
What type of infinitive is τεκεῖν?

My first shot is to say that it is an infinitive indicating the result of the controlling verb. On second thoughts, though, the torture, or severe discomforture accompanies the birthing rather than causes it.

Is it alternatively possible to split an infinitive from the controlling verb - taking κράζει ... τεκεῖν together?

Another aspect of this verse was discussed a few years ago in this thread.

Re: Rev 12:2 βασανιζομένη τεκεῖν

Posted: April 7th, 2016, 2:22 pm
by cwconrad
Stephen Hughes wrote:
Revelation 12:2 (NA-UBS) wrote:καὶ ἐν γαστρὶ ἔχουσα, καὶ κράζει ὠδίνουσα καὶ βασανιζομένη τεκεῖν
What type of infinitive is τεκεῖν?

My first shot is to say that it is an infinitive indicating the result of the controlling verb. On second thoughts, though, the torture, or severe discomforture accompanies the birthing rather than causes it.

Is it alternatively possible to split an infinitive from the controlling verb - taking κράζει ... τεκεῖν together?

Another aspect of this verse was discussed a few years ago in this thread.
I'd say you understand very well what it "means" but you'd like to explain the Greek usage, in which exercise you are βασανιζόμενος. On the one hand, I'm halfway inclined to say that this isn't Greek; but on the other hand, I think we understand very well what it means. I'm "sorely tempted" to explain the participle as implicitly meaning "desirous" and the infinitive as complementary: "she is laboring hard to give birth."

Re: Rev 12:2 βασανιζομένη τεκεῖν

Posted: April 8th, 2016, 1:19 am
by George F Somsel
Stephen Hughes wrote:
Is it alternatively possible to split an infinitive from the controlling verb - taking κράζει ... τεκεῖν together?
A split infinitive? Horrors !! :D

Re: Rev 12:2 βασανιζομένη τεκεῖν

Posted: April 8th, 2016, 5:57 am
by cwconrad
George F Somsel wrote:Stephen Hughes wrote:
Is it alternatively possible to split an infinitive from the controlling verb - taking κράζει ... τεκεῖν together?
A split infinitive? Horrors !! :D
I don't say that he actually did that (I'd still rather understand it with βασανιζομένη), but the guy who wrote "ὁ ὢν καὶ ὁ ἦν καὶ ὁ ἐρχόμενος" might just as well have written κραζει ... τεκεῖν -- just imagine King Richard: κράζει ἵππον τινὰ κτήσασθαι.