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John 2,24 αὐτὸν

Posted: October 14th, 2011, 7:51 am
by Peter Streitenberger
Friends,

in John 2,24 we read: αὐτὸς δὲ Ἰησοῦς οὐκ ἐπίστευεν αὐτὸν αὐτοῖς διὰ τὸ αὐτὸν γινώσκειν πάντας (Nestle-Aland)

How should we translate αὐτὸν here ? For "himself" I'd expect the reflexive form hEAUTON (as the Byz text reads).

Thank you !
Peter, Germany
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Re: John 2,24 αὐτὸν

Posted: October 14th, 2011, 1:30 pm
by cwconrad
Peter Streitenberger wrote:Friends,

in John 2,24 we read: αὐτὸς δὲ Ἰησοῦς οὐκ ἐπίστευεν αὐτὸν αὐτοῖς διὰ τὸ αὐτὸν γινώσκειν πάντας (Nestle-Aland)

How should we translate αὐτὸν here ? For "himself" I'd expect the reflexive form hEAUTON (as the Byz text reads).

Thank you !
Peter, Germany
http://www.streitenberger.com
If this were Classical Attic, you might indeed expect ἑαυτὸν, but in the Koine oblique-case forms of αὐτὸς are quite commonly used in a reflexive sense. Cf. BDF §283.

Re: John 2,24 αὐτὸν

Posted: October 15th, 2011, 3:48 am
by Peter Streitenberger
Dear Dr. Conrad,

thank you for this clarification ! What do you think of the Spiritus Asper Westcott/Hort used in Joh 2,24: αὑτὸν (hAUTON)?

Thank you again !

Yours
Peter Streitenberger, Germany

Re: John 2,24 αὐτὸν

Posted: October 15th, 2011, 8:47 am
by cwconrad
Peter Streitenberger wrote:Dear Dr. Conrad,

thank you for this clarification ! What do you think of the Spiritus Asper Westcott/Hort used in Joh 2,24: αὑτὸν (hAUTON)?
I'm not a textual critic. I see that Holmes in the SBL GNT has αὑτόν. Several codices have ἑαυτόν. Metzer's note on the UBS4 text (αὐτόν) reads:
2.24 αὐτόν (1) {C}

In place of the first αὐτόν, many witnesses clarify the sense by writing ἑαυτόν (P66 ℵ2 Ac Wsupp Θ Ψ al). Although the word was omitted (probably accidentally) by a few copyists, the Committee judged that there was sufficiently weighty support (ℵ* A* B L 700 al) to warrant including it.

Re: John 2,24 αὐτὸν

Posted: October 15th, 2011, 10:02 am
by Peter Streitenberger
Dear Dr. Conrad,
I thought αὑτόν was an Attic form and not common in Koine Greek.
Yours
Peter