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There's still something which feels like wooden English->Koine translation (it's too easy to make back-translation):
δεῖ μὲ λαλεῖν ὅτι: "I have to say that..." At least you should change λαλεῖν to aorist. Otherwise it feels like "I have to talk that...". And I would rather use legw. Not sure why, though.
σὺ ἦς ἀορθῶς καὶ ἐγὼ ἤμην ὀρθῶς: Finding too often the word "be" is another easy way of telling whether it's directly translated from English (or many other languages). Greek favours the ellipsis of that neutral and empty-in-itself word. You could say as well "σὺ ἀορθῶς καὶ ἐγὼ ὀρθῶς". Also the word order betrays the English backround. "σὺ ἀορθῶς ἦς καὶ ἐγὼ ὀρθῶς" would be pretty good if you still want to refer to the past with the imperfect form.
διὰ τὶ θελῇς: "why would you want to..." I don't think Koine speakers would use 3rd person passive construction. "Why would we" sounds better.
A good place to look for Greek vocabulary for English words is http://perseus.uchicago.edu/Reference/LSJ.html. Enter your English word in the lower section where it says "SEARCH THE FULL TEXT OF LSJ".
A good place to look for Greek vocabulary for English words is http://perseus.uchicago.edu/Reference/LSJ.html. Enter your English word in the lower section where it says "SEARCH THE FULL TEXT OF LSJ".
Then what you want to do is read the entire article on the word to make sure it fits the context in which you want to use it. It strikes me, Chris, that you should know the language a little better before you essay this.
I would leave the ὅτι out altogether and use λαλῆσαι, not λαλεῖν, or εἰπεῖν, not λέξαι.
N.E. Barry Hofstetter, M.A., Th.M.
Ph.D. Student U of FL
Instructor of Latin
Jack M. Barrack Hebrew Academy
καὶ σὺ τὸ σὸν ποιήσεις κἀγὼ τὸ ἐμόν. ἆρον τὸ σὸν καὶ ὕπαγε.
Barry Hofstetter wrote:It strikes me, Chris, that you should know the language a little better before you essay this.
I'm not exactly sure what "essay" means in this usage. Let me make a quick comment on the "before you", and apply it to compose a letter.
The types of errors in the Greek of the authours of personal correspondence tend to be mostly in spelling (substituting vowels or consonants with the same pronunciation) and case endings. Big things like the form and structure are not so common errors.
Barry Hofstetter wrote:It strikes me, Chris, that you should know the language a little better before you essay this.
I'm not exactly sure what "essay" means in this usage. Let me make a quick comment on the "before you", and apply it to compose a letter.
The types of errors in the Greek of the authours of personal correspondence tend to be mostly in spelling (substituting vowels or consonants with the same pronunciation) and case endings. Big things like the form and structure are not so common errors.
essay
[noun es-ey for 1, 2; es-ey, e-sey for 3–5; verb e-sey]
noun ...
verb (used with object)
6. to try; attempt.
7. to put to the test; make trial of.
While it makes sense that spelling errors would be more numerous, there are still plenty of grammatical solecisms in the papyri. Revelation is a special case. In stating that solecisms exist in the text and are regarded as such does not explain why such solecisms exist. Rev 1:4 has exercised many a commentator, and it may have good exegetical or theological explanation, but it's still non-standard Greek.
N.E. Barry Hofstetter, M.A., Th.M.
Ph.D. Student U of FL
Instructor of Latin
Jack M. Barrack Hebrew Academy
καὶ σὺ τὸ σὸν ποιήσεις κἀγὼ τὸ ἐμόν. ἆρον τὸ σὸν καὶ ὕπαγε.
Barry Hofstetter wrote:
While it makes sense that spelling errors would be more numerous, there are still plenty of grammatical solecisms in the papyri. Revelation is a special case. In stating that solecisms exist in the text and are regarded as such does not explain why such solecisms exist. Rev 1:4 has exercised many a commentator, and it may have good exegetical or theological explanation, but it's still non-standard Greek.
Would you have told to the writer of the Revelation: "you should know the language a little better before you essay this"?
essay
[noun es-ey for 1, 2; es-ey, e-sey for 3–5; verb e-sey]
noun ...
verb (used with object)
6. to try; attempt.
7. to put to the test; make trial of.
Yes. Both of those meanings.
I was (am) unclear whether you meant
(i) that the attempt to prove a diary cold be written in Greek, when the letter to prove it is a learning experience (not being an example - in terms of some basic elements of the language - of what he is trying (valiantly) to show could be done by way of an example of writing in Greek), or
(ii) that the attempt to write in Greek to prove that a point was such an overhead on the task of persuasion that logical structure and arguments, which could have easily been made in the well-practiced acrobatic routines of is mother tongue both forcefully and with the eloquence of an Edmund Burke, had to be abandoned in favour of the expedient and possible in contorting and convoluted uneasiness of this as yet alien form of expression.
Either way, I take what you have said as an encouragement for him to continue with composition, which will result in improvement in all regards.