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κατέχω ("repair") in LXX 2 Esdras 13:4-32 (Nehemiah 3)
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Re: κατέχω ("repair") in LXX 2 Esdras 13:4-32 (Nehemiah 3)
Ken M. Penner
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Re: κατέχω ("repair") in LXX 2 Esdras 13:4-32 (Nehemiah 3)
There we go! Thanks!
3 Kingdoms (1 Kings) 2:28 -
NASB:
LXX:Now the news came to Joab, for Joab had followed Adonijah, although he had not followed Absalom.
And Joab fled to the tent of the LORD and took hold of the horns of the altar.
NETS:καὶ ἡ ἀκοὴ ἦλθεν ἕως Ιωαβ τοῦ υἱοῦ Σαρουιας, ὅτι Ιωαβ ἦν κεκλικὼς ὀπίσω Αδωνιου, καὶ ὀπίσω Σαλωμων οὐκ ἔκλινεν.
καὶ ἔφυγεν Ιωαβ εἰς τὸ σκήνωμα τοῦ κυρίου καὶ κατέσχεν τῶν κεράτων τοῦ θυσιαστηρίου.
And the news came to Ioab the son of Sarouia - for Ioab had inclined after Adonias and did not incline after Salomon -
and Ioab fled to the covert of the Lord and grasped the horns of the altar.
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Re: κατέχω ("repair") in LXX 2 Esdras 13:4-32 (Nehemiah 3)
Would you draw that conclusion for 4 Kingdoms 12:8-15, where the translator has "κραταιόω - ἐνισχύω - κατέχω"?Ken M. Penner wrote: ↑May 17th, 2020, 3:49 pm FWIW, the usual Hebrew root translated as a form of κατέχω is אחז, which has a silent first radical, and the other two radicals appear (in that order) in חָזַק. So I'm thinking we should consider visual and phonetic mistakes on the part of the translator (or copyist).
Why do you suppose he only used κατέχω in verse 13a?
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Yes, I would draw the conclusion that "we should consider visual and phonetic mistakes".Stephen Nelson wrote: ↑May 17th, 2020, 7:57 pmWould you draw that conclusion for 4 Kingdoms 12:8-15, where the translator has "κραταιόω - ἐνισχύω - κατέχω"?Ken M. Penner wrote: ↑May 17th, 2020, 3:49 pm FWIW, the usual Hebrew root translated as a form of κατέχω is אחז, which has a silent first radical, and the other two radicals appear (in that order) in חָזַק. So I'm thinking we should consider visual and phonetic mistakes on the part of the translator (or copyist).
Why do you suppose he only used κατέχω in verse 13a?

But I'm puzzled about the inconsistency. FWIW, I could find nothing in the secondary literature or the Septuaginta Deutsch commentary.
Ken M. Penner
Professor and Chair of Religious Studies, St. Francis Xavier University
Editor, Digital Biblical Studies
General Editor, Lexham English Septuagint
Co-Editor, Online Critical Pseudepigrapha pseudepigrapha.org
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Re: κατέχω ("repair") in LXX 2 Esdras 13:4-32 (Nehemiah 3)
FWIW, here is Hatch & Redpath's entry on κατέχειν, which shows which Hebrew words it translates for various meanings. Because of the way attachments work here, I will do this in two messages.
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ἐξίσταντο δὲ πάντες καὶ διηποροῦντο, ἄλλος πρὸς ἄλλον λέγοντες, τί θέλει τοῦτο εἶναι;
http://jonathanrobie.biblicalhumanities.org/
http://jonathanrobie.biblicalhumanities.org/