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Re: ὁ Αμορις in Gen 14:13

Posted: December 19th, 2023, 12:28 pm
by Devenios Doulenios
Many thanks, James. Do you know if the entire set is available in public domain?

Re: ὁ Αμορις in Gen 14:13

Posted: December 19th, 2023, 1:37 pm
by Jean Putmans
The so called “Cambridge Maior” can be downloaded at Archive.org (there search for: Brooke Cambridge Septuagint) and You will find the published books, free download!

The Cambridge-Edition was never completed, since the Göttingen Septuaginta Projekt was started (https://adw-goe.de/en/forschung/abgesch ... ternehmen/).

The Göttingen Septuagint is now the scholarly-standard but - halas - not free availlable. And even the Logos-Edition is quite expensive (https://www.logos.com/product/4951/gottingen-septuagint).

Some parts of the Print-edition meanwhile appear in the antiquarian-market.

Re: ὁ Αμορις in Gen 14:13

Posted: December 19th, 2023, 4:56 pm
by Devenios Doulenios
Yes, I fear I'll never be able to purchase any of the Göttingen volumes. Meanwhile, I'll happily use the Cambridge ones. Thanks, Jean.

Re: ὁ Αμορις in Gen 14:13

Posted: December 20th, 2023, 8:45 am
by Jean Putmans
Regarding τηι δρυι τηι Μαμβρη i looked in Migne Patrologia Graeca (good OCR’s here: http://khazarzar.skeptik.net/pgm/PG_Migne/) and I found some readings with Μαμβρηι instead of Μαμβρη, so probably Μαμβρη was read as the name of the tree, not the name of the owner.

ATHANASIUS-D-GR/De sancta trinitat. : «Ὤφθη δε αυτωι Θεος προς τηι δρυι τηι Μαμβρηι, καθ ημενου αυτου επι της θυρας της
Asterius-Amasenus/Homiliae. : δρυι τηι Μαμβρηι η τωι σπηλαιωι τωι ωνητωι, οπερ Ἐφραιμ ο Χετταιος εις ταφην της
CHRYSOSTOMOS-JOH/In illud Ne timueritis. : προς τηι δρυι τηι Μαμβρηι καθημενωι· και ιδου τρεις ανδρες. Και αναστας (ου γαρ
CYRIL-ALEXANDRIEN/Commentarii in Joannem. : και γαρ ειδεν ανδρας τρεις "προς τηι δρυι τηι "Μαμβρηι," αλλα και
CYRIL-ALEXANDRIEN/De adoratione et cultu in spiritu et veritate. : τωι Ἀβρααμ προσβαλλοντες εν τηι δρυι τηι Μαμβρηι, δυο δε τοις Σοδομοις
CYRIL-ALEXANDRIEN/De adoratione et cultu in spiritu et veritate. : «Ἀβρααμ τωι περατηι, αυτος δε κατυκει προς τηι δρυι τηι Μαμβρηι, Ἀμοῤραιου του
CYRIL-ALEXANDRIEN/De adoratione et cultu in spiritu et veritate. : προς τηι δρυι τηι Μαμβρηι, καθημενου αυτου επι της θυρας της σκηνης αυτου
CYRIL-ALEXANDRIEN/Thesaurus de sancta consubstantiali trinitate. : Προσκυνει γαρ αυτον Ἀβρααμ επι τηι δρυι τηι Μαμβρηι, προσκυνει και
Didymus-der-Blinde/De trinitate_. : ο προπατωρ εδιδαξεν εν τηι δρυι τηι Μαμβρηι, την αγιαν
Didymus-der-Blinde/Fragmenta in Psalmos. : προς τηι δρυι τηι Μαμβρηι; τοτε γαρ φησιν η γραφη Ωφθη ο θεος ̓Αβρααμ. και ταυτα
EusebiusCaesariensis/De ecclesiastica theologia. : «ωφθη δε κυριος ο θεος τωι Ἀβρααμ προς τηι δρυι τηι Μαμβρηι, καθημενου αυτου προς
EusebiusCaesariensis/Generalis elementaria introductio. : τηι δρυι τηι Μαμβρηι καθημενου αυτου επι της θυρας της σκηνης αυτου μεσημβριας·
EusebiusCaesariensis/Historia ecclesiastica. : ανθρωπος τωι Ἀβρααμ καθημενωι παρα την δρυν την Μαμβρηι· ο δ' υποπεσων αυτικα,
GregoriusVonNyssa/Liber de cognitione dei. : Ὤφθη δε τωι Ἀβρααμ ο Θεος προς τηι δρυι τηι Μαμβρηι, καθημενου αυτου επι
GregoriusVonNyssa/Testimonia adversus Judaeos. : προς τηι δρυι τηι Μαμβρηι, καθημενου 46.197 αυτου επι της θυρας της σκηνης αυτου
MaximusConfessor : επι του Ἀβρααμ, εν τηι δρυι τηι Μαμβρηι, και οτε εις Σοδομα επορευοντο· και τωι
MichaelGlyca/Annales. : καθημενος παρα τηι δρυι τηι Μαμβρηι παντας εφιλοξενει τους παροδευοντας, πιστους
ORIGENES/Commentarii in Romanos. : ελθων κατυ[κησε παρα τη]ν δρυν την εν Μαμβρηι, η ην εν Χεβρων, και ωικ[οδομησεν
PhotiusConstantinople/Fragmenta in epistulam ad Hebraeos. : πλησιαιτερος δε τωι Ἀβρααμ οικουντι προς τηι δρυι τηι Μαμβρηι. οιεσθαι δε χρη οτι και

Special:
Socrates and Sozomenus Scholasticus/Historia ecclesiastica. : Αὖθις δὲ ἑτέρας ἐκκλησίας ἐποίει· καὶ μίαν μὲν ἐν τῇ
καλουμένῃ δρυῒ τῇ Μαμβρῇ, ὑφ' ἣν τοὺς ἀγγέλους ἐξενίσθαι πρὸς τοῦ Ἀβραὰμ οἱ ἱεροὶ λόγοι μηνύουσι, κατεσκεύαζε.
CHRYSOSTOMOS-JOH/Contra theatra :την δρυν την καλουμενην Μαμβρη, ην συ τοις αγαθοις τροποις ημερωσας;

Re: ὁ Αμορις in Gen 14:13

Posted: December 20th, 2023, 10:23 am
by Ken M. Penner
wwzeitler wrote: December 18th, 2023, 12:29 pm
Here's Wevers' comment on this
i know who Wever is, but I'm not figuring out the reference.
https://www.zotero.org/groups/14909/sep ... /4B9GF53K/
Wevers, John William. 1993. Notes on the Greek text of Genesis. Vol. 35 of Septuagint and cognate studies. Atlanta: Scholars Press.

Re: ὁ Αμορις in Gen 14:13

Posted: December 20th, 2023, 10:39 am
by Ken M. Penner
Jean Putmans wrote: December 19th, 2023, 2:51 am It’s not necessary that Chryststom himself changed to ομορος, possibly he had a manuscript with that reading:

https://archive.org/details/oldtestamen ... ew=theater
Thanks for the reference. Am I reading the apparatus right, that the printed editions of Chrysostom "correct" the ομορος in the manuscripts to ομορου in the editions?
Yes, I took Mambre as dative referring to the tree, not nominative referring to the Amorite. Perhaps in the LES we're missing an "of":
https://biblia.com/bible/lelxx2/Ge14.13 wrote:Now the Amorite himself dwelt at the oak of Mamre, of the brother of Eshcol and the brother of Onan, who were allies of Abram.

Re: ὁ Αμορις in Gen 14:13

Posted: December 20th, 2023, 11:23 am
by Jean Putmans
I don’t find any witness in the Chrysostom-Migne Edition with Μαμβρη and Αμορις/ομορις/ομορος/ομορου etc.

Mind: The Cambridge Septuagint used the Chrysostom quotations based on notes of De Lagarde, so to say “second hand”.

Maybe someone with admission to the Göttingen Sept. could check that.

Re: ὁ Αμορις in Gen 14:13

Posted: December 20th, 2023, 11:48 am
by Ken M. Penner
Jean Putmans wrote: December 20th, 2023, 11:23 am Maybe someone with admission to the Göttingen Sept. could check that.
Here's apparatus 1 for Genesis 14:13:
13 παραγεναμενος n 343 392 | τῶν ἀνασωθέντων / τις A D 814 911 15-72´-135´ 77 f−53 343 t y−346´ 424 z 55 59 = Sixt] τις (τι* vid) ανασ. 75; om τις Cyr I 353; tr Chr VII 326 Genn 1645 Arm rell | ασωθεντων 343; διασωθεντων 16; ανασωθεν A; αναληφθεντων 376 | απηγγειλαν 79 53 n; ανηγγειλεν 318 59; απηγγελη Cyr I 353 | Ἀβράμ 1°] pr τω DG M 426 128 b d 53 t(τω αβρααμ 46) 527 54 Chr VII 326 | om τῷ περάτῃ 44 Aeth | αὐτός] αυτου 15; αυτων 55*(c pr m) | πρός] παρα b Chr VII 326 = Sixt; εν A 72´ | την δρυν 426 n 799 59 | τῇ 2°] την 426 75 799 59; > 343 | Μαμβρή] μαμβρην 426 75; μαμβρι 52-313*-615-761c 71; μαβρη 106 127* 346*(c pr m) 122*; mamrē BoL; μαμβη 246; μαβρι 707; μαυρην 799; μαυρη 82-376 550 44-107 53 424 | ὁ Ἄμορις] ομορις 135c 46c 121c; αμμορις 799; ομωρις 46*; ομορος 82-135*-426 d 129 122 54; ολμορις 55*; ομορου Chr VII 326te bis; αμμωρ Compl; του αμορραιου f−129 Armte(amorrhaeorumap) LatHi Quaest XXIII 19 ↓; > RaG.; om ὁ t−46 619 = Ald | Ἄμορις] αμωρις 458; αμορρις DG; αμμωρ 19´; αμμορ 314; αμωρ 108; γαμβρος 72; γαυρος 707; αμορραιου 75c 619 Cyr I 353 = Ald Sixt; + δε 135 | om τοῦ 1° Cyr I 353 | εσχολ 17´-72´-426 C´’−73 77 551* d 246*(c pr m) s−343 370 71-424 430; εσχορ 551*; εσχωα 319; εχωλ 74 619 | ἀδελφοῦ 2° 911 O b d−44 129-246 343 54 319] > 44 53´ AethC Bo; pr του rell = RaG | Αὐνάν] ευναν 71(vid)-424-619 122; αυτου M | om οἵ 55 | om συνωμόται—16:15 fin 376 | τοῦ ult] > 911; τω M 17´-72-426 d 53-664c n 134 Chr VII 326 bis | Ἀβράμ 2°] αβρααμ 25*-408*-500
Here's apparatus 2:
13 ἀνασωθέντων] σʹ διαφευγόντων (-φυγ. 57) 57-413(s nom) 130; σʹ διαφυγών 344′(ind ad παραγενόμενος) | τῷ περάτῃ] αʹ (+ τω 344′) περαΐτῃ 57-413(s nom) s−343 Ish 145 Barh; σʹ τῷ Ἐβραίῳ 57-413(s nom) s−343; περάτης ἑρμηνεύεται παρὰ τοῖς περὶ Ἀκύλαν ὁ Ἐβραῖος 135cat | ὁ Ἄμορις] αʹ (> 57) τοῦ Ἀμωρί (-μορ. 57′) σʹ τοῦ Ἀμορραίου (-μωρρ. 57-413(s nom) s−343 Ish 146

Re: ὁ Αμορις in Gen 14:13

Posted: December 20th, 2023, 2:00 pm
by Jean Putmans
Ken,

You are probably right, six Chrysostom-mss seem to have ομορος instead of ομορου.

TLG points for Chrys. tot PG53, p. 326 line 30 (that is Homilie XXXV: http://www.documentacatholicaomnia.eu/2 ... ia,_GM.pdf.
This Volume seems not te be in the OCR-Set I refered to.

The Migne Text is:
αυτος δε καωικει παρα τηι Μαμβρη ομορου, του αδελφου εσχωλ.

Below the column is the Note a) Sex mss hic ei infra Ομορος.

Thanks for the Göttingen Septuagint Part !