Antiquities 1:78

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Antiquities 1:78

Post by Matthew Longhorn » November 10th, 2020, 2:51 pm

ἦν δ̓ ἡ λάρναξ τούς τε τοίχους καρτερὰ καὶ τὸν ὄροφον, ὡς μηδαμόθεν ἐπικλύζεσθαι μηδ̓ ἡττᾶσθαι τῆς τοῦ ὕδατος βίας

I am puzzled as to how the two accusative fit in here, I can’t see a verb that they could be governed by unless I am somehow to take them as the subjects of the infinitive in the next clause, which doesn’t seem right.

Any ideas?
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Post by Matthew Longhorn » November 10th, 2020, 3:42 pm

Could it be an accusative of respect, "the ark, with respect to the walls and roof"?
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Post by Stephen Carlson » November 11th, 2020, 1:33 am

Matthew Longhorn wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 3:42 pm
Could it be an accusative of respect, "the ark, with respect to the walls and roof"?
Yes, but construed with the adjective καρτερά ("strong in its walls and roof").
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Post by Matthew Longhorn » November 11th, 2020, 3:45 am

Thanks
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Post by Matthew Longhorn » November 11th, 2020, 10:54 am

I don't have access to some of my grammars, I was wondering why someone may use an accusative of respect rather than a dative of respect.
I see that there was a shift towards the dative during the koine period, is there any kind of difference in meaning between the two constructions?
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Post by Stephen Carlson » November 12th, 2020, 8:34 pm

Matthew Longhorn wrote:
November 11th, 2020, 10:54 am
I don't have access to some of my grammars, I was wondering why someone may use an accusative of respect rather than a dative of respect.
I see that there was a shift towards the dative during the koine period, is there any kind of difference in meaning between the two constructions?
There's a certain division of labor. The accusative of respect is most seen with body parts or things that are analogous to body parts. There are some others; consult Smyth for more details.
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Re: Antiquities 1:78

Post by Matthew Longhorn » November 13th, 2020, 3:56 am

Thanks, when I next have access to Smyth I will give it a read
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Re: Antiquities 1:78

Post by S Walch » November 13th, 2020, 5:32 am

Matthew Longhorn wrote:
November 13th, 2020, 3:56 am
Thanks, when I next have access to Smyth I will give it a read
It's online at Perseus :)

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... 99.04.0007

Accusative of Respect:
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... ction%3D91
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