Wes Wood wrote:
Xenophon, Estate manager, Chapter 2, Section 15 wrote:οἶμαι δ᾽ ἂν καὶ εἰ ἐπὶ πῦρ ἐλθόντος σου καὶ μὴ ὄντος παρ᾽ ἐμοί, εἰ ἄλλοσε ἡγησάμην ὁπόθεν σοι εἴη λαβεῖν, οὐκ ἂν ἐμέμφου μοι, καὶ εἰ ὕδωρ παρ᾽ ἐμοῦ αἰτοῦντί σοι αὐτὸς μὴ ἔχων ἄλλοσε καὶ ἐπὶ τοῦτο ἤγαγον, οἶδ᾽ ὅτι οὐδ᾽ ἂν τοῦτό μοι ἐμέμφου, καὶ εἰ βουλομένου μουσικὴν μαθεῖν σου παρ᾽ ἐμοῦ δείξαιμί σοι πολὺ δεινοτέρους ἐμοῦ περὶ μουσικὴν καί σοι χάριν <ἂν> εἰδότας, εἰ ἐθέλοις παρ᾽ αὐτῶν μανθάνειν, τί ἂν ἔτι μοι ταῦτα ποιοῦντι μέμφοιο;
"But I suppose if you came to get fire from me and I did not have any at my house, if I led you from to a place where you might get fire, you would not blame me. And if you requested water from me and I myself
did not have any and I led you to it, I know that you would not blame this on me either. And if when you were wanting to learn to play music from me I showed you
someone much more skillful than I am about
in music and they would acknowledge their debt to you (thank you
/ graciously accept you as a student
) if you wanted to learn from them, why would you still
blame me for doing these things?"
δείξαιμί σοι - showed you - this is vaguer than the Greek, because it could mean he was standing any-old-where when he was showing. Consider that the Greek word for index finger
is ὁ δείκτης (not listed itself in LSJ if you were thinking to check, but ὁ ἀντίχειρ, "thumb" and ὁ δάκτυλος "finger" or "toe", and ὁ μείζων δάκτυλος "big toe" are). δείκνυμι, does mean "show", to a certain extent, but in the sense that the two of them would stand at some distance and he would extent his finger in the direction of the one who could teach music, so something like "point you on to" might be better.
A musician might be knowledgeable about
music (as a musicologist would be too), but here they want someone skilled in
ἔτι - still - I wonder from the Wood-ennes of this translation whether you are word for word rendering this or understanding then rendering? The question is whether "blame" is an ongoing action or something that arises in each instance. Perhaps, "in this case too". How do you say the third (or fourth, if the second one is "second") in the sequence, "His mum gave him an apple for his Maths teacher, and another for his English teacher, and ____ another for his Science teacher." That blank in your idiolect will probably give you a hint as to how you will render the ἔτι here.
It would have been better if I could have spotted this difficulty and changed the hints for this section
a little before posting, but it takes time and a third-person perspective to recognise one's errors - both of which occur after the submit button has been pressed, perhaps on the following day:
One of the hints reads:
μουσικὴν μαθεῖν σου παρ᾽ ἐμοῦ - μαθεῖν τι παρὰ τινός
That would be better with the σου omitted, and the syntax it comes in, explained in a separate hint following it, like this:
Amended / Extra hints:
μουσικὴν μαθεῖν ... παρ᾽ ἐμοῦ
- μαθεῖν τι παρὰ τινός
βουλομένου μουσικὴν μαθεῖν σου
- μουσικὴν μαθεῖν is the fulcrum across which βουλομένου and σου balance. That is to say βουλομένου and σου refer to the same person and their position either side of μουσικὴν μαθεῖν shows us that that is the extent of the "wanting".