Xenophon, Oeconomicus, Chapter 3

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Re: Xenophon, Oeconomicus, Chapter 3

Post by Wes Wood » January 5th, 2015, 1:36 am

Xenophon, Oeconomicus, Chapter 3, Section 11 wrote: καὶ τούτου πότερα χρή, ὦ Σώκρατες, τὸν ἄνδρα αἰτιᾶσθαι ἢ τὴν γυναῖκα; πρόβατον μέν, ἔφη ὁ Σωκράτης, ὡς ἐπὶ τὸ πολὺ ἂν κακῶς ἔχῃ, τὸν νομέα αἰτιώμεθα, καὶ ἵππος ὡς ἐπὶ τὸ πολὺ ἂν κακουργῇ, τὸν ἱππέα κακίζομεν: τῆς δὲ γυναικός, εἰ μὲν διδασκομένη ὑπὸ τοῦ ἀνδρὸς τἀγαθὰ κακοποιεῖ, ἴσως δικαίως ἂν ἡ γυνὴ τὴν αἰτίαν ἔχοι: εἰ δὲ μὴ διδάσκων τὰ καλὰ κἀγαθὰ ἀνεπιστήμονι τούτων χρῷτο, ἆρ᾽ οὐ δικαίως ἂν ὁ ἀνὴρ τὴν αἰτίαν ἔχοι;


Hints:
πότερα: which (of two options)
χρή: it is necessary
αἰτιᾶσθαι: to blame
ἐπὶ τὸ πολὺ: “for the most part”
κακουργῇ: be vicious
ἱππέα: horseman
κακίζομεν: we reproach (I rendered this “take to task”)
τἀγαθὰ: sufficiently
κακοποιεῖ: manage one’s affairs poorly
ἴσως: in the same manner
αἰτίαν: blame
κἀγαθὰ: good
ἀνεπιστήμονι: with ignorance
χρῷτο: if she should use
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Re: Xenophon, Oeconomicus, Chapter 3

Post by Wes Wood » January 5th, 2015, 1:39 am

Xenophon, Oeconomicus, Chapter 3, Section 12 wrote:πάντως δ᾽, ἔφη, ὦ Κριτόβουλε (φίλοι γάρ ἐσμεν οἱ παρόντες) ἀπαληθεῦσαι δεῖ πρὸς ἡμᾶς. ἔστιν ὅτῳ ἄλλῳ τῶν σπουδαίων πλείω ἐπιτρέπεις ἢ τῇ γυναικί; οὐδενί, ἔφη. ἔστι δὲ ὅτῳ ἐλάττονα διαλέγῃ ἢ τῇ γυναικί;


Hints:
οἱ παρόντες: the ones who are present
ἀπαληθεῦσαι: to tell the whole truth
σπουδαίων: of serious matters/affairs
πλείω: more
ἐπιτρέπεις: you turn to
ἐλάττονα: less
διαλέγῃ: you argue (hypothetically)
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Re: Xenophon, Oeconomicus, Chapter 3

Post by Wes Wood » January 5th, 2015, 1:40 am

Xenophon, Oeconomicus, Chapter 3, Section 13 wrote: εἰ δὲ μή, οὐ πολλοῖς γε, ἔφη. ἔγημας δὲ αὐτὴν παῖδα νέαν μάλιστα καὶ ὡς ἐδύνατο ἐλάχιστα ἑωρακυῖαν καὶ ἀκηκουῖαν; μάλιστα. οὐκοῦν πολὺ θαυμαστότερον εἴ τι ὧν δεῖ λέγειν ἢ πράττειν ἐπίσταιτο ἢ εἰ ἐξαμαρτάνοι.


Hints:
εἰ δὲ μή: otherwise
ἔγημας: you married
νέαν: youthful
μάλιστα: most
ἐλάχιστα: least
θαυμαστότερον: more marvelous
πράττειν: to do (πράσσω)
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Re: Xenophon, Oeconomicus, Chapter 3

Post by Wes Wood » January 5th, 2015, 1:43 am

Xenophon, Oeconomicus, Chapter 3, Section 14 wrote: οἷς δὲ σὺ λέγεις ἀγαθὰς εἶναι γυναῖκας, ὦ Σώκρατες, ἦ αὐτοὶ ταύτας ἐπαίδευσαν; οὐδὲν οἷον τὸ ἐπισκοπεῖσθαι. συστήσω δέ σοι ἐγὼ καὶ Ἀσπασίαν, ἣ ἐπιστημονέστερον ἐμοῦ σοι ταῦτα πάντα ἐπιδείξει.


Hints:
ἐπαίδευσαν: they trained
το ἐπισκοπεῖσθαι: observation
συστήσω: I will introduce
ἐπιστημονέστερον: more knowledgable
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Re: Xenophon, Oeconomicus, Chapter 3

Post by Wes Wood » January 5th, 2015, 1:44 am

Xenophon, Oeconomicus, Chapter 3, Section 15 wrote: νομίζω δὲ γυναῖκα κοινωνὸν ἀγαθὴν οἴκου οὖσαν πάνυ ἀντίρροπον εἶναι τῷ ἀνδρὶ ἐπὶ τὸ ἀγαθόν. ἔρχεται μὲν γὰρ εἰς τὴν οἰκίαν διὰ τῶν τοῦ ἀνδρὸς πράξεων τὰ κτήματα ὡς ἐπὶ τὸ πολύ, δαπανᾶται δὲ διὰ τῶν τῆς γυναικὸς ταμιευμάτων τὰ πλεῖστα: καὶ εὖ μὲν τούτων γιγνομένων αὔξονται οἱ οἶκοι, κακῶς δὲ τούτων πραττομένων οἱ οἶκοι μειοῦνται.


Hints:
ἀντίρροπον: is equivalent to, a compliment to (in the sense of “his other half?)
πράξεων: from the transactions/business
κτήματα: possessions
δαπανᾶται: spends
ταμιευμάτων: supplies
τὰ πλεῖστα: for the most part
αὔξονται: they will increase
πραττομένων: are done
μειοῦνται: they diminish
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Re: Xenophon, Oeconomicus, Chapter 3

Post by Wes Wood » January 5th, 2015, 1:46 am

Xenophon, Oeconomicus, Chapter 3, Section 16 wrote: οἶμαι δέ σοι καὶ τῶν ἄλλων ἐπιστημῶν τοὺς ἀξίως λόγου ἑκάστην ἐργαζομένους ἔχειν ἂν ἐπιδεῖξαί σοι, εἰ τι προσδεῖσθαι νομίζεις.


Hints:
οἶμαι: I think, suppose
ἐπιστημῶν: occupations
προσδεῖσθαι: to show
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