- Ἰδοὺ εἶπον ἡμῖν τοῖς μὴ μετανοήσασι ἄν τὰ ἐπιγενησόμενα.
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Ghost of Christmas Future Imperfect Conditional
ἐξίσταντο δὲ πάντες καὶ διηποροῦντο, ἄλλος πρὸς ἄλλον λέγοντες, τί θέλει τοῦτο εἶναι;
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Re: Ghost of Christmas Future Imperfect Conditional
How about this for a translation?
Γελᾷ δ' ὁ μωρός, κἄν τι μὴ γέλοιον ᾖ
(Menander, Γνῶμαι μονόστιχοι 108)
(Menander, Γνῶμαι μονόστιχοι 108)
Re: Ghost of Christmas Future Imperfect Conditional
Are we to assume that you got this directly from the volume, Greek Grammar So Far Beyond the Basics that You'd Never Have Guessed It in Your Wildest Imagination?Jonathan Robie wrote:
I'm somewhat confused about the syntactical function of ἄν here; Is it intended to imply, "I would have told you ... "? or "those who would never have repented"? I take it does not refer to the final phrase and mean "things things that would have happened." I suspect we have a case here of the fallacy of the inclusive ἁν.Stephen Hughes wrote:How about this for a translation?
- Ἰδοὺ εἶπον ἡμῖν τοῖς μὴ μετανοήσασι ἄν τὰ ἐπιγενησόμενα.
οὔτοι ἀπ’ ἀρχῆς πάντα θεοὶ θνητοῖς ὑπέδειξαν,
ἀλλὰ χρόνῳ ζητέοντες ἐφευρίσκουσιν ἄμεινον. (Xenophanes, Fragment 16)
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
ἀλλὰ χρόνῳ ζητέοντες ἐφευρίσκουσιν ἄμεινον. (Xenophanes, Fragment 16)
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
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Re: Ghost of Christmas Future Imperfect Conditional
That's the funniest thing I've read on B-Greek for a long time ...cwconrad wrote:Are we to assume that you got this directly from the volume, Greek Grammar So Far Beyond the Basics that You'd Never Have Guessed It in Your Wildest Imagination?
ἐξίσταντο δὲ πάντες καὶ διηποροῦντο, ἄλλος πρὸς ἄλλον λέγοντες, τί θέλει τοῦτο εἶναι;
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Re: Ghost of Christmas Future Imperfect Conditional
Perhaps we should take this further in the composition sub-forum. The fate of ἄν in syntactic transforms from conditional sentences to articular participles?cwconrad wrote:I'm somewhat confused about the syntactical function of ἄν here; Is it intended to imply, "I would have told you ... "? or "those who would never have repented"? I take it does not refer to the final phrase and mean "things things that would have happened." I suspect we have a case here of the fallacy of the inclusive ἁν.Stephen Hughes wrote:How about this for a translation?
- Ἰδοὺ εἶπον ἡμῖν τοῖς μὴ μετανοήσασι ἄν τὰ ἐπιγενησόμενα.
Γελᾷ δ' ὁ μωρός, κἄν τι μὴ γέλοιον ᾖ
(Menander, Γνῶμαι μονόστιχοι 108)
(Menander, Γνῶμαι μονόστιχοι 108)
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Re: Ghost of Christmas Future Imperfect Conditional
cwconrad wrote:Are we to assume that you got this directly from the volume, Greek Grammar So Far Beyond the Basics that You'd Never Have Guessed It in Your Wildest Imagination?
- Σκροῦγε: Oh no Ghost not this, please!
Ghost: Yes, Σκροῦγε, you see these ones who keep trying to line up the funny looking words with the other ones.
Σκροῦγε: I've seen too much already!
Ghost: Do you remember what they kept saying to you?
Σκροῦγε: …… ohhhhhhhh ….
Ghost: They said, “We can’t remember 67 kinds of genitive!” didn’t they? And what did you say, Σκροῦγε?
Σκροῦγε: …… No please ….
Ghost: Yes. You said, “They have their interlinears, don’t they? Let them go to their interlinears!”
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