[Dickey] Ch 2: Analysis

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[Dickey] Ch 2: Analysis

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Re: [Dickey] Ch 2: Analysis

Post by Daniel Semler » September 13th, 2019, 12:19 am

Jason Hare wrote:
September 8th, 2019, 10:57 am
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I've been meaning to post something for you to compare with. Finally getting to it.

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Identify verbs

καὶ τοῖς δὴ μὴ πλουσίοις, χαλεπῶς δὲ τὸ γῆρας φέρουσιν, εὖ ἔχει ὁ αὐτὸς λόγος, ὅτι οὔτ’ ἄν ὁ ἐπιεικὴς πάνυ τι ῥᾳδίως γῆρας μετὰ πενίας ἐνέγκοι, οὔθ’ ὁ μὴ ἐπιεικὴς πλουτήσας εὔκολὸς ποτ’ ἄν ἑαυτῷ γένοιτο.

Divide sentence into units

καὶ τοῖς δὴ μὴ πλουσίοις, χαλεπῶς δὲ τὸ γῆρας φέρουσιν,
εὖ ἔχει ὁ αὐτὸς λόγος,
ὅτι οὔτ’ ἄν ὁ ἐπιεικὴς πάνυ τι ῥᾳδίως γῆρας μετὰ πενίας ἐνέγκοι,
οὔθ’ ὁ μὴ ἐπιεικὴς πλουτήσας
εὔκολὸς ποτ’ ἄν ἑαυτῷ γένοιτο.

Work out dependencies

1. καὶ τοῖς δὴ μὴ πλουσίοις, χαλεπῶς δὲ τὸ γῆρας φέρουσιν,
2. εὖ ἔχει ὁ αὐτὸς λόγος,
2.1 ὅτι οὔτ’ ἄν ὁ ἐπιεικὴς πάνυ τι ῥᾳδίως γῆρας μετὰ πενίας ἐνέγκοι,
2.2 οὔθ’ ὁ μὴ ἐπιεικὴς πλουτήσας
2.3 εὔκολὸς ποτ’ ἄν ἑαυτῷ γένοιτο.

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1. And for those who are not wealthy, they bear old age with difficulty,
2. this same saying has it well
2.1 for neither might the well-to-do person bear old age easily with poverty
2.2 nor will the non-well-to-do when he becomes rich
2.3 ever be contented in himself.
Explain

τοῖς δὴ μὴ πλουσίοις: δὴ post-pos breaking up a general negation of a noun. For/To those who are not rich. Scaife has reasonable – thus fair minded.
ὁ ἐπιεικὴς: substantival adjective – the well to do, the upper class, perhaps reasonable, fair minded person, but given the use of πλουσίοις social class seems better.
ὁ μὴ ἐπιεικὴς: as above but negated in a general sense – the class of the not well off.
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Re: [Dickey] Ch 2: Analysis

Post by Daniel Semler » September 13th, 2019, 12:20 am

Comparing the two, I think that you are right that the first clause is subordinate not independent as my diagramming shows.

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