Romans 16:7/Jonathan's Post

Theodore H. Mann thmann at juno.com
Mon Aug 10 15:41:13 EDT 1998


Thanks to all.  I will indeed check the archives, which I should have
done to begin with.

Best in Christ,

Theodore "Ted" H. Mann
Orchard Lake, Michigan
thmann at juno.com

On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Edward Hobbs
<EHOBBS at WELLESLEY.EDU> writes:
>Colleagues:
>
>Since I was one of those to whom Larry Swain appealed, I'll respond.
>A short comment on each of the issues Ted Mann ended up raising:
>
>First, as both Carl Conrad and Mike Holmes wrote, all of this was 
>discussed
>at great length a couple of years or so ago-- see the archives.  We
>need not re-invent the wheel.
>
>Second, as (again) Carl and Mike pointed out, the masculine name 
>JUNIAS
>is bogus; it is purely a mdoern invention, with no evidence for it in 
>antiquity whatever.  The reasons for its invention are obvious; this 
>is one 
>of those cases where the King James translators were correct and the 
>RSV, 
>NIV, and NASB are victims of the invention.  NRSV and NAB are more 
>sensible
>and perform no sex-change on the language.
>
>Third, Paul calls himself an "Apostle", or rather he says God called 
>him
>that, and he insists on his right to the term.  Only later do Matthew 
>and 
>Luke move toward calling no one but the Twelve by that term.  Paul and 
>Mark
>know only "the Twelve," not "the Twelve Apostles."  James, apparently 
>in
>charge in Jerusalem, would not be an "Apostle" if only the Twelve 
>qualify.
>
>Finally, I have to agree with Carl and Jonathan, that taking the 
>expression
>"among the apostles" to mean "the apostles as a group hold these two 
>non-
>apostles in high regard" is "rather strained" (Carl) and "stretching 
>it"
>(Jonathan), though the Greek could bear such a meaning (but see 
>Jonathan's
>lovely English examples for the absurdity involved, to a 
>native-speaker or 
>fluent-reader).
>
>PLEASE look in the archives; this had some lengthy discussion, and it 
>all 
>needn't be repeated.
>
>
>Edward Hobbs
>
>
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