A Liquid Excretion Product

Cindy Smith cms at dragon.com
Mon Sep 7 16:08:33 EDT 1998


Not to be impolite:  I'm curious about the KJV's use of the term 
"piss" or "pisseth against the wall" in the following passages (I 
can't transliterate the Hebrew but can give the Septuagint):

1 Samuel 25:22  TADE POIHSAI hO THEOS TW DAVID KAI TADE PROS	EIA EI 
hUPOLEIPSOMAI EK PANTWN TWN TOU NABAL hEWS PRWI OUROUNTA PROS TOIXON.

Vulgate:  haec faciat Deus inimicis David et hae addat si reliquero de 
omnibus quae ad eum pertinent usque mane mingentem ad parietem.

NRSV:  God so so to David and more also, if by morning I leave so much 
as one male of all who belong to him.

NABWRNT:  May God do thus and so to David, if by morning I leave a 
single male alive maong all those who belong to him.

NJB:  May God bring unnameable ills on David and worse ones, too, if 
by morning I leave a single manjack alive of all who belong to him!

NIV:  May God deal with David, be it ever so severely, if by morning I 
leave alive one male of all who belong to him!

Inspired Version:  So and more also do God unto the enemies of David, 
if I leave of all that pertain to him by the morning light any that 
pisseth against the wall.

NKJV:  May God do so, and more also, to the enemies of David, if I 
leave one male of all who belong to him by morning light.

ASV:  God do so unto the enemies of David, and more also, if I leave 
of all that pertain to him by the morning light so much as one 
man-child.

How do you translate shathan and qiyr?

Cf. 	1 Samuel 25:22
	1 Samuel 25:34
	1 Kings 14:10
	1 Kings 16:11
	1 Kings 21:21
	2 Kings 9:8

Also cp.:

	2 Kings 18:27	FAGEIN THN KOPRON AUTWN KAI PIEIN TO OURON 
			AUTWN METH' hUMWN hAMA

			that they may eat their own dung, and drink
			their own piss with you?

	Isaiah 36:12	FAGWSIN KOPRON KAI PIWSIN OURON MEQ' hUMWN hAMA

			that they may eat their own dung, and drink
			their own piss with you?




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