Right, "begat" is currently unusable; but I don't think the same applies to "have begotten". James -----Original Message----- From: Jim West [mailto:jwest at highland.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 2:09 PM To: Biblical Greek Cc: b-greek at franklin.oit.unc.edu Subject: Re: gennawing males <snip> Begat is old and senseless for most. <snip>