John 6:10

Cindy Smith cms at dragon.com
Thu Feb 4 14:44:23 EST 1999


>From:	MX%"jwest at Highland.Net"  "Jim West"  4-FEB-1999 14:26:08.78
>To:	MX%"b-greek at franklin.oit.unc.edu"
>CC:	MX%"b-greek at franklin.oit.unc.edu"
>Subj:	Re: John 6:10

>Reply-To: Jim West <jwest at Highland.Net>

>At 12:57 PM 2/4/99 -0600, you wrote:
>>
>>I need some help with John 6:10. Almost every translation I own takes
>>andres as the subject of anepesan, 'sat down'. But since it is unlikely
>>that only the men sat down and since the point of andres seems to be that
>>there were 5000 men there (besides women & children as Mt 14:21 adds), I
>>would prefer to translate "There was plenty of grass in the place, so they
>>sat down, the men numbering about 5000." I note that Father Brown (AB)
>>translates "Now the men numbered about 5000, but there was plenty of grass
>>there for them to find a seat." A little loose, but the semantics are
>>similar to mine. Could I get some feedback? Thanks.
>>Ray Clendenen
>
>The first part of the verse may help---  "Jesus said- make the men sit down-
>for there was grass aplenty there- The number of men sitting down was around
>5000".

In the first part of the verse, the word is anthrwpous, which is the 
plural almost always means "people" not "men" as in specifically male 
human beings.  In the second part of the verse, the word is hoi andres
and does mean "men" as in specifically male human beings.  I think a 
better translation might be:

	Jesus said, "Make the people sit down.  But there was grass
	in that place, so they sat down, the men being about five 
	thousand in number.

The implication is that among all the people present were about 5000 
men.  This isn't counting the other people present who were no doubt 
women and children.

>Best,
>
>Jim

>+++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>Jim West, ThD
>Quartz Hill School of Theology
>
>jwest at highland.net
>http://web.infoave.net/~jwest





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