1 Tim 2:12

Kevin W. Woodruff cierpke at prodigy.net
Thu Apr 27 16:23:59 EDT 2000


A good source for this topic is 

 Köstenberger, Andreas, ed; Schreiner, Thomas R, ed; Baldwin, H   
 Scott, ed                                                        
 Women in the church: a fresh analysis of 1 Timothy 2:9-15       Grand
Rapids: Baker., 1995.

At 11:18 AM 4/27/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>Jim,
>	Thanks for your response.  I have flopped back and forth on this,
>and I have read the grammars on this (BD & Rob), and still don't see an
>objective way to argue for or against this view.  I have a high respect
>for your work, so this lends strong support for this view, especially in
>view of the fact that this reading is "polliticaly incorrect" yet you
>think that this is what the author intended.
>
>Michael
>
> On Thu, 27 Apr 2000, Jim West wrote:
>
>> At 10:16 AM 4/27/00 -0700, you wrote:
>> 
>> >	The question comes with regard to the relationship of the two
>> >clauses and *oude*.  Does the not allowing "a woman to teach" only relate
>> >to the "man," [that is the sentence is stating that the woman cannot teach
>> >a *man* but can teach women and children] could it be that the first
>> >clause stands independently, and thus a woman is simply not allowed to
>> >teach.  He is affirming the latter, but I cannot figure an objective way
>> >to either deny or affirm his exegesis.
>> >	I am well aware of the ramifications of this question and I am
>> >quite aware of the other passages that relate to this question.  I am
>> >concerned with the syntax of the sentence.
>> 
>> Since its syntax that "taxes" you here (pun intended) Blass-Debrunner
>> suggest (in the 17th edition of their grammar), p. 374-5, that "oudh am
>> Satzanfang oder nach ou innerhalb desselben Satzstueckes = 'auch nicht',
>> 'nicht einmal'.  But since the phrase you wonder about doesnt "begin" with
>> the word-- this is not necessarily applicable.
>> 
>> Perhaps oudh here could be rendered "not even".... (see Robertson, p.  1185).
>> 
>> In any event this in not a very politically correct way to render the
>> verse-- but I think that the author of 1 Tim meant just that-- that women
>> should be silent and not teach, and not even have any sort of authority---
>> over men.
>> 
>> Over women and children???  Who knows.  The passage doesn't seem to address
>> that issue at all.
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> Jim
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> 
>> Jim West, ThD
>> jwest at highland.net
>> http://web.infoave.net/~jwest
>> 
>> 
>> 
>
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