Ign. Eph. 15:3, Romans 5:12
Bart Ehrman
behrman at email.unc.edu
Tue Jan 4 12:19:23 EST 2000
Thanks for the comment. Seems that EF hW has its own problems (i.e.,
apart from EX nWN); I should think that context would affect how it's to
be translated in each instance. What you understand your translation of
Rom. 5:12 to *mean*?
Also, how would you then translate Ign. Eph. 15:3?
-- Bart Ehrman
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
On Tue, 4 Jan 2000, Bill Ross wrote:
> Personally, when Paul uses a different construction I don't say to myself
> "he just meant the same thing as if he had said..." because if he had wanted
> to say ... he would have said .... and so I look for what might be a subtle
> but profound difference.
>
> For an inquiry into a very profound difference, look at the similar section
> in Romans 5:12
>
> Romans 5:12 DIA TOUTO WSPER DI ENOS ANQRWPOU H AMARTIA EIS TON KOSMON
> EISHLQEN KAI DIA THS AMARTIAS O QANATOS KAI OUTWS EIS PANTAS ANQRWPOUS O
> QANATOS DIHLQEN ****EF W**** PANTES HMARTON (breathing marks omitted)
>
> The words EF hW are commonly translated "because." I personally object to
> this. In the same sentence Paul uses DIA for that purpose. The words are
> literally "upon which" as in Acts 7:33:
>
> Acts 7:33 EIPEN DE AUTW O KURIOS LUSON TO UPODHMA TWN PODWN SOU O GAR TOPOS
> ****EF W**** ESTHKAS GH AGIA ESTIN
>
> This leads me to the conclusion that, to Paul, the first phrase is the
> antecedent of the second, not the result. That is "all died, upon which [EF
> W] all sinned" not "all died, because [DIA] all sinned"
>
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