follow-up on PROSKUNEW
Steve Puluka
spuluka at hotmail.com
Sat Oct 7 19:10:39 EDT 2000
Mark,
Please note that the Index Patristicus only covers the very early literature
often referred to as the Apostolic Fathers. For a true search of patristic
literature you must cast a wider net. Unfortunately, there is no easy
single comprehensive source for this. The TLG CD-ROM has a few and Lampe's
Patristic Greek Lexicon will have some more, but not necessarily
comprehensively. Finally, you can check the scripture citation indexes from
the Early Church Fathers series to look for comments about these passages in
Homilies and letters.
My point is that very little of the Greek & Latin Fathers is translated into
English and even less is properly indexed. I wish there was a concordance
for all this, but as far as I'm aware, there is not.
I'm not sure what you are looking for in your study. Perhaps you do only
want those references contemporaneous with scriptural use. I just wanted to
be sure you did understand the limits of the Index Patristicus. I have
found this to be a misleading name for some.
Steve Puluka
Chair of the Adult Education Committee
Byzantine Catholic Archeparchy of Pittsburgh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Wilson" <emory2oo2 at hotmail.com>
To: "Biblical Greek" <b-greek at franklin.oit.unc.edu>
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 10:40 AM
Subject: [b-greek] follow-up on PROSKUNEW
>
> I recently asked for the whereabouts of the 6 uses of PROSKUNEW in the
> Church Fathers.
>
> I have reviewed all 6 and would like to ask a question on the only use of
> PROSKUNEW that is not used of pagan worship.
>
> Here is the English translation with the Greek provided. Can you tell me
why
> this translator translated PROKUNOUMEN as "we adore?"
>
>
> Concerning the Martyrdom of the Holy Polycarp
>
> Chapter XVII.-The Christians are Refused Polycarp's Body.
>
> (To provide you with a context, I have included the English for all of
> Chapter 17.)
>
> 17:1,2 (PROSKUNEW apparently does not appear in verse 2 although the
ENGLISH
> word "worship" is used.)
>
> This he said at the suggestion and urgent persuasion of the Jews, who also
> watched us, as we sought to take him out of the fire, being ignorant of
> this, that it is neither possible for us ever to forsake Christ, who
> suffered for the salvation of such as shall be saved throughout the whole
> world (the blameless one for sinners), nor to worship (I do not know the
> Greek word used here) any other.
>
>
> 17:3 -- TOUTON MEN GAR hUION ONTA TOU QEOU PROSKUNOUMEN, TOUS DE MARTURAS
> hWS MAQHTAS KAI MIMHTAS TOU KURIOU AGAPWMEN AXIWS hENEKA EUNOIAS
> ANUPERBLHTOU THS EIS TON IDION BASILEA KAI DIDASKALON' hWN GENOITO KAI
> hHMAS KOINWNOUS TE KAI SUMMAQHTAS GENESQAI.
>
>
> For Him indeed, as being the Son of God, we adore; but the martyrs, as
> disciples and followers of the Lord, we worthily love on account of their
> extraordinary affection towards their own King and Master, of whom may we
> also be made companions48 and fellow-disciples!
>
>
> Why not: "the Son of God we worship?"
>
> Up to this point, every usage of PROSKUNEW, even in the NT, was used
outside
> the sense of John 4. It would appear that the two main elements of
> PROSKUNEW, namely, at a certain location and accompanied by ritual acts
(its
> Jewish meaning), prevented this word from assuming the re-definition that
> John 4 assigned it.
>
> Any other ideas?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Mark Wilson
>
>
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