Any thoughts on the use of the genitive THS KTISEWS in Rev 3:14 (hH ARCH THS KTISEWS TOU QEOU)? Possibly objective, He begins God's creation? This could significantly affect the way we interpret hH ARCH. Charles E. Powell, Ph.D. (h) cep7 at aol.com (w) cpowell at dts.edu (h) 972-231-4166 (w) 214-841-3763