Lifts up or takes away?

c stirling bartholomew cc.constantine at worldnet.att.net
Mon Apr 29 02:16:49 EDT 2002


on 4/27/02 12:30 PM, Jim West wrote:

> i think hes probably seeking novelty . . .

JOHN 15:2 PAN KLHMA EN EMOI MH FERON KARPON AIREI AUTO, KAI PAN TO KARPON
FERON KAQAIREI AUTO hINA KARPON PLEIONA FERHi.

It is not actually novel at all.  "Lift up . . . " for AIRW in Jn 15:2  has
been taught for many years. I first heard it expounded at great length in
the 60's by a guy who shared a dorm room with Hal Lindsey at Dallas (DTS).

D.A. Carson (John, Pillar p518) traces it back to A.W. Pink, and lists a
number of others who have held this position. The use of AIRW in Johannine
literature doesn't lend much support this reading.

For example, see AIRWN in:

JOHN 1:29 THi EPAURION BLEPEI TON IHSOUN ERCOMENON PROS AUTON KAI LEGEI: IDE
hO AMNOS TOU QEOU hO AIRWN THN hAMARTIAN TOU KOSMOU.

where it means violent removal (see DA Carson John, Pillar p518, and C.H.
Dodd pp. 230-38). 

Now you can accuse me of "seeking novelty . . ." :-))

Anyway, Pink is wrong on this one. Wonder where he got the idea. Pink was a
great reader of commentaries, he certainly got this from somewhere else. I
checked the oldest sources I have but didn't find it. Problem with my old
sources is the guys were big greeks (Alford, Meyer, Plummer) and big greeks
would not have proposed this reading, would they?

Clay

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