TINI LOGWi (1 Cor 15:2)
Richard Ghilardi
qodeshlayhvh at juno.com
Mon Apr 29 12:20:18 EDT 2002
Dear Manolis and b-greekers,
On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 "Manolis Nikolaou" <aei_didaskomenos at hotmail.com>
writes:
> (1 Cor 15:1) GNWRIZW DE hUMIN, ADELFOI, TO EUAGGELION hO
> EUHGGELISAMHN
> hUMIN, hO KAI PARELABATE, EN hW KAI hESTHKATE,
> (1 Cor 15:2) DI' hOU KAI SWZESQE, TINI LOGWi EUHGGELISAMHN hUMIN EI
> KATECETE, EKTOS EI MH EIKH EPISTEUSATE.
>
> "TINI LOGWi EUHGGELISAMHN hUMIN EI KATECETE" is usually translated
> as "if
> you hold fast that word which I preached you". But: could the verb
> KATECETE take an object in dative? And: even if dative was possible
> here,
> wouldn't something like "TWi LOGWi hON EUHGGELISAMHN hUMIN EI
> KATECETE"
> (instead of "TINI LOGWi") be more expected here? How does TINI
> function in
> this passage, anyway?
Since no one else has responded to this post here's my take on it, FWIW.
> could the verb
> KATECETE take an object in dative?
No. The object of this verb is an implied pronoun in the neuter
accusative. Its antecedent is TO EUAGGELION.
> And: even if dative was possible
> here,
> wouldn't something like "TWi LOGWi hON EUHGGELISAMHN > hUMIN EI
> KATECETE"
> (instead of "TINI LOGWi") be more expected here?
IF THE DATIVE WERE POSSIBLE HERE,
in a case like this where the antecedent is in the dative the relative
pronoun, which would normally stand in the accusative, is generally
attracted to the case of the antecedent. And so *TWi LOGWi hWi
EUHGGELISAMHN hUMIN EI KATECETE*. Or sometimes the inverse takes place
and the antecedent is attracted to the case of the relative pronoun: *TON
LOGON hON EUHGGELISAMHN hUMIN EI KATECETE*. BUT the dative is not
possible with KATECW so forget about what I just wrote.
> How does TINI function in this passage, anyway?
Now we come to the real question. IMHO, TINI functions here like hWiTINI
and TINI LOGWi is a dative of manner or perhaps means. So vs would go
like this in English:
"through which (gospel) you are also being saved, by whatever manner of
speaking I proclaimed the gospel to you, if you hold on to (it, i.e., the
gospel)."
Yours in His grace,
Richard Ghilardi -- qodeshlayhvh at juno.com
New Haven, CT USA
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