Lifts up or takes away?
Steve Lovullo
SLovullo at etcconnect.com
Tue Apr 30 09:09:12 EDT 2002
First, thanks for the overt injection of theological controversy into a
thread that has been commendably free of such. Not very helpful.
Second, not only are your comments on Thomas Schreiner NOT related to the
discussion of the passage in question, they are flat-out wrong. I wouldn't
even bring this up except for the fact that there are well over a thousand
people on this list, and false rumors spread quickly. Being pretty familiar
with Dr. Schreiner's theology from his books, etc., your comment about his
changing his "previously-held belief in eternal security" on the basis of a
word study on ADOKIMOS struck me as fishy. I e-mailed him last night asking
if he's changed his view on this issue. He was kind enough to get back to me
this morning. His response? "That person doesn't know what he is talking
about. I haven't changed my view as written in my books."
Steve Lo Vullo
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Weiss [mailto:eweiss at gte.net]
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 11:36 PM
> To: Biblical Greek
> Subject: [b-greek] Re: Lifts up or takes away?
>
>
> I believe this idea of "lifts up" -- in order to aid the fruitless or
> poorly-bearing branch to bear fruit by untangling it or
> somehow freeing
> it from perhaps being crushed by the other branches -- comes from a
> desire to uphold the doctrine of eternal security in the face of this
> passage which seems to indicate that believers can be "cast away."
>
> On a related note, Greek scholar/author/commentator Thomas Schreiner
> stated in his book on interpreting the Pauline epistles that he had to
> change his previously-held belief in eternal security when his word
> studies of ADOKIMOS persuaded him that Paul really was
> fearing, not just
> a loss of rewards, but potentially a loss of salvation when
> he stated in
> I Corinthians 9:27 why he buffeted his body.
>
> Perhaps a similar word study of the Johannine usages of AIRW
> might help
> determine if "lifts up" really is a plausible interpretation
> of the word
> in this passage. Most comments I've read on the subject (and
> I think the
> notes in The Criswell Study Bible were the first place I encountered
> this AIRW teaching) support the traditional/usual "takes
> away" -- i.e.,
> the potential destruction of those who do not bear fruit.
>
> --
> Eric S. Weiss
> http://home1.gte.net/eweiss/index.htm
> S.D.G.
>
>
>
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