Titus 1:6

Dan and Rachel King dan_rach at ntlworld.com
Wed Aug 7 12:09:59 EDT 2002


Isn't there just an (imaginary) ONTA after ASWTIAS giving us 3 things that
the children must be: a) PISTA, b)MH EN KATHGORIA ASWTIAS (ONTA), c)MH
ANUPOTAKTA.

These are neut.plur. and can only refer to the children...

Dan King


----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Allan Stauch" <rstauch at charter.net>
To: "Biblical Greek" <b-greek at franklin.oit.unc.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 2:53 AM
Subject: [b-greek] Re: Titus 1:6


> > Ti 1:6 : EI TIS ESTIN ANEGKLHTOS MIAS GUNAIKOS ANHR TEKNA ECWN PISTA MH
EN
> > KATHGORIA ASWTIAS H ANUPOTAKTA
> >
> >  I'm trying to determine if the phrase "MH EN KATHGORIA ASWTIAS H
> > ANUPOTAKTA" refers to the TEKNA or to the TIS/church leader.
> > [snip]
> > Esteban Otero
> > Tampa, FL
>
> Esteban,
>
> It seems to me that the question is moot, since both could easily be
> expected to be "not reportedly reckless or uncontrolled" (to use my own
> translation). I might agree with you as a question of interpretation (it
> is "any man" who is to be tested for office), but as far as that goes it
> could also be the "children". Technically, children are by their very
> nature "reckless or uncontrolled." They have to be taught to be
> self-controlled. But that is the whole question for considering someone
> for ministry: Can they teach others to control themselves?
>
> It is an unfortunate fact of life that the original autographs are lost to
> us, and the earliest manuscripts (in this case P. Rylands 5, aka P32,
> which does not include this verse) lacked the punctuation we might use to
> help the reader determine the original intent.
>
> On balance, though, I would go with the adult being considered for
> ministry: The adult should "not [be] reportedly reckless or uncontrolled."
> If they are "reckless or uncontrolled," even "reportedly," then they will
> bring disgrace upon the Church by being in a place of importance, AND (if
> actually so) they will not likely be any good in that position, anyway.
>
> Well, that's my story, and I'm sticking to it,
> Richard Allan Stauch
> Long Beach, CA
>
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