Sentences in Greek
Richard Allan Stauch
rstauch at charter.net
Thu Aug 8 16:36:16 EDT 2002
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric S. Weiss [mailto:eweiss at gte.net]
> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 12:37 PM
> To: Biblical Greek
> Subject: [b-greek] Re: Sentences in Greek
>
> Richard:
>
> Since you separately e-mailed only me on this, and not Paul, too, I
assume
> you are responding to my statements, rather than Paul's (which I was
> responding to and/or commenting on).
>
> I do not think we have the same thing semantically in Ephesians 1 with
EN
> hWi that we have in the examples you gave, which I grant you do suffer
> greatly when the clause is broken by a period. I guess it depends on
how
> one is to relate the prepositional phrase to the rest of the clauses
and
> sentences in the discourse. In the case of Ephesians 1, I think a good
> case can be made (and the editors of N-A 26 apparently agree) that EN
hWi
> begins a new thought or a sufficiently separate thought such that in
> English it would or could be equated to, or translated by, a new
sentence.
>
> I do not want to start an argument, or continue in an argumentative
> manner, and we have agreed at Carl's request to keep this discussion
> polite and free of sarcasm or personal remarks, so I'll just reiterate
> that the point I'm asking or making is whether EN hWi can legitimately
be
> the start of a new sentence, both in Greek and (when translated) in
> English. And it seems to me that translators and Greek NT text editors
> believe EN hWi as the start of a sentence is in certain contexts (like
> Ephesians 1) legitimate, and I do not personally think that it
detracts
> greatly from understanding the author's flow of thought -- and it may
in
> fact clarify it for the reader.
>
Hi Eric,
In fact, I hit "Reply To All." Therefore, it went out to both the list
and to you. However, the list members didn't get it, only you did. Since
the copy to the list address didn't bounce back to me undeliverable, I
must assume someone there thinks it's inappropriate somehow. I can't
imagine why, though.
The problem is, of course, now the list members do not know what you
mean, because they don't know what "examples I gave." If they will look
up a few examples as I did, they may find what I was getting at, or they
may not. For their sakes, I'll include the relevant portions of Greek
Text with my translation examples again, and hope it gets through this
time:
Matthew 10:20-21a (EN hUMIN; EN + Pronoun):
Text:
"... OU GAR hUMEIS ESTE hOI LALOUNTES ALLA TO PNEUMA TOU PATROS hUMWN TO
LALOUN EN hUMIN PARADWSEI DE ADELFOS ADELFON EIS QANATON ..."
Before:
"... for you are not the speakers, but the spirit of your father
speaking in you. Then brother shall deliver up brother to death ..."
After:
"... for you are not the speakers, but the spirit of your father is
speaking. In you, then, brother shall deliver up brother to death ..."
Acts 7:47-48a (EN CEIROPOIHTOIS; EN + Pronominal Adjective):
Text:
"SOLOMWN DE OIKODOMHSEN AUTWi OIKON ALL' OUX hO hUYISTOS EN
CEIROPOIHTOIS KATOIKEI ..."
Before:
"Then Solomon built for him a house, but the highest does not in
man-made [things] dwell ..."
After:
"Then Solomon built for him a house, but not the highest. In man-made
[things] he dwells ..."
Mark 2:19 (EN hWi; EN + the Pronominal Adjective hWi):
Text:
"... MH DUNANTAI hOI hUIOI TOU NUMFWNOS EN hWi hO NUMFIOS MET' AUTWN
ESTIN NHSTEUEIN;"
Before:
"... The wedding guests can not fast while the groom is with them [can
they]?"
After:
"... The wedding guests can do nothing. In whom is the groom with them
fasting?"
Since you did reply to me through the list, I should expect this reply
back to you will get through to the list members, too. If it does not,
then I have to assume that I have caused someone pain. This was not my
intention. I simply stated my case. Some of the replies I got could be
read as insulting to me, but I don't easily bruise. I have replied to
those with some intractability, perhaps, but never from personal animus.
Richard Allan Stauch
Long Beach, CA
More information about the B-Greek
mailing list