Titus 1:6
Braulio Barillas
parakal at quetzal.net
Wed Aug 21 22:52:36 EDT 2002
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De: OTEROFAMILY4 at aol.com [mailto:OTEROFAMILY4 at aol.com]
Enviado el: Lunes, 05 de Agosto de 2002 07:01 p.m.
Para: Biblical Greek
Asunto: [b-greek] Titus 1:6
Ti 1:6 : EI TIS ESTIN ANEGKLHTOS MIAS GUNAIKOS ANHR TEKNA ECWN PISTA MH EN
KATHGORIA ASWTIAS H ANUPOTAKTA
I'm trying to determine if the phrase "MH EN KATHGORIA ASWTIAS H
ANUPOTAKTA"
refers to the TEKNA or to the TIS/church leader. Virtually every translation
refers it to the children, or simply inserts an ambiguous comma without
explicit reference. The NASB seems to be the only one connecting it to the
leader.
However, it seems to me that for a number of reasons it should refer to the
leader:
1. Grammatically, I would expect to see a relative connecting it to the
children (in fact, some older translations add a relative). The author
doesn't seem to be opposed to using relatives (cf. 1:10,11,KTL)
2. The general "style" of vv. 6-11 seems to be one of short, non hypotactic
clauses (except for v. 11, which has 3 relatives)
3. V. 6 seems to be a sort of self contained unit describing the
arch-characteristic of ANEGKLHTOS. The next phrases seem to expound on this
characteristic by relating to a) wife, b) children, and then c) self - the
whole household in effect (I know this touches on hermeneutics/ exegesis,
but it bears somewhat on the passage).
Any suggestions are appreciated (especially in regards to linguistic
analyses)
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De: Clwinbery at aol.com [mailto:Clwinbery at aol.com]
Enviado el: Lunes, 05 de Agosto de 2002 07:59 p.m.
Para: Biblical Greek
Asunto: [b-greek] Re: Titus 1:6
As Walt Seevers has pointed out the noun and two adjectives ending in A all
agree in case gender and number, thus the two adjectives modify TEKNA. The
MH
. . . H . . . link the last adjective with the phrase EN KATHGORIAi ASWTIAS
so it also must modify TEKNA. ECWN the participle agrees with TIS in case
gender and number and thus modifies the subject of the sentence. Hence "If
there is anyone who has faithful children (who are) not under accusation of
wantonness nor unruly." Then we must assume that these are candidates for
the rolls of Elders.
Carlton Winbery
Louisiana College
Hola amigos,les saluda Braulio Barillas; me parecio que esta respuesta de
Carlton es muy acertada. Deseo agregar un asunto mas que me parece
importante senalar.
Conviene recordar que en toda traduccion existe el problema de la no
correspondencia entre las lenguas, y este es un caso tipico. Tito 1:6 tiene
una limitacion de caracter linguistico que consiste en que el castellano no
tiene participio presente para traducir adecuadamente el participio ECWN,
por consiguiente no se puede traducir literalmente teniendo que acudir a una
construccion de relativo (el que tiene) En Ingles se puede usar el gerundio
o participio (having)o tambien la oracion de relativo: anyone who has, or he
who has. La traduccion puede escribirse asi:
(El candidato, TIS) que tiene hijos fieles
having faithful children
Otro caso similar esta en Mt. 28:19 en que POREUZENTES (participio
presente)se suele traducir en castellano con el imperativo por la
inexistencia de un participio presente.
Gracias por su atencion los saluda
Braulio Barillas
parakal at quetzal.net
Guatemala City Centro America
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