Matth.24:7&11

Clwinbery at aol.com Clwinbery at aol.com
Sat Dec 7 18:20:21 EST 2002



In a message dated 12/7/02 12:53:43 PM, dixonps at juno.com writes:

>> 
>> And then in 24:24 God will also be raising up false Christs to 
>> deceive, if
>> possible, even the chosen ones????? Luckily, most Bible translators 
>> are
>> guided by context more than what they may or may not have learned in
>
>> a Greek
>> grammar class. Although these verbs have traditionally been termed 
>> passive,
>> they are better understood as MP forms where it is a contextual
>> interpretation whether the sense is middle or passive.
>> 
>> Have you read Carl's paper? You could also check the archives from 
>> October
>> and November last year. A search for "Middle" will give you a lot 
>> of
>> postings to chew on. This included discussion of ANISTHMI and 
>> EGEIRW.
>
>Hi Iver:
>
>There is contextual, albeit a wider context, support for the idea that
>these supposedly MP forms should be taken passively.  2 Thess 2:11
>indicates that it is God who causes a strong delusion to come upon them
>so that they would believe a lie.  
>
>If EGERQHSONTAI of Mt 24:24 is taken passively, it does not follow that
>God is intending to deceive the elect, but that it may not be possible.
>
>Rather, the intent to deceive comes from the near YEUDOCRISTOI KAI
>YEUDOPROFHTAI.
>
>Our theological presuppostions do affect our interpretations.  It is
>probably this, rather than luck, that is the immediate cause for some
>interpreters leaving the traditional understanding of the future passive
>to opt for a middle understanding.
>
>Paul Dixon

I ask that we stick with the narrow context of what the Greek text in Matt. 
24 is indicating. This is not a list for working out your NT Theology or 
eschatology even though most of us have an appreciation for the Protestant 
principle of Sola Scriptura.

Thanks,

Carlton Winbery
Co-moderater



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