Phil 4:6 ALL EN PANTI

Carl W. Conrad cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Sat Dec 28 11:50:53 EST 2002


Mike is absolutely right with respect to the form required being PASHi if
construed with the two feminine noun. I think he's also right about the
semantic justification for the NET version. I repent me (middle voice, of
course!--METAMELOMAI) in sackcloth and ashes and duly acknowledge the error
of my ways.

At 10:12 AM -0500 12/28/02, Mike Sangrey wrote:
>On Sat, 2002-12-28 at 08:49, Carl W. Conrad wrote:
>> At 8:33 AM -0500 12/28/02, Jay Anthony Adkins wrote:
>> >Phil 4:6 MHDEN MERIMNATE, ALL EN PANTI TH PROSEUCH KAI TH DEHSEI META
>> >EUCARISTAIS TA AITHMATA UMWN GNORIZESQW PROS TON QEON.
>> >
>> >Phil 4:6 Have no anxiety, but in each prayer and plea let your requests be
>> >know to God with gratitude.
>> >
>> >In checking the translations I have available to me all have chosen to
>> >translate the phrase ALL EN PANTI "but in everything", yet it seems to
>> >make more sense to me to say "but in each".  I will assume I am wrong, but
>> >can someone tell me why I am wrong.  Thank you.
>>
>> I don't think you should assume you're wrong at all--just that the Greek
>> text can be construed in more than one way. NET evidently took it as you
>> did, although its a dynamic-equivalence translation::
>>
>> 4:6 Do not be anxious about anything. Instead, tell your requests to God in
>> your every prayer and petition-with thanksgiving.
>
>Now, I'm a little confused.  (I've been there before and generally I get
>over it <laugh>)
>
>PANTI is neuter and TH PROSEUCH is feminine.  So PAS is not to be
>construed with PROSEUCH.  Right?  If, however, the genders matched, then
>we would have PAS in 1st predicate position with an articular noun.  And
>we would generally understand that to mean `all' or `the whole of'.
>
>What am I missing with respect to the grammar?
>
>Also, having said that, let me quickly add I think the case can be made
>semantically for the NET translation.  That is, what would it mean to
>say, "Never be anxious about anything, but in just some of your prayers
>to God, not in all of them, of course, be thankful..."  The NET
>translators had to make a decision about whether to keep `prayer'
>singular as in the original or to make it plural to match the sense.  It
>appears to me they chose to allow the nature of PAS to influence the
>rest of the sentence.  And that's how communication works, so I think
>they're justified.
>
>--
>Mike Sangrey
>msangrey at BlueFeltHat.org
>Landisburg, Pa.
>                        "The first one last wins."
>            "A net of highly cohesive details reveals the truth."
>
>
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Carl W. Conrad
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