John 10:29
Richard Ghilardi
qodeshlayhvh at juno.com
Mon Jul 29 19:38:06 EDT 2002
B-Greekers and Carlton,
On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:37:57 EDT Clwinbery at aol.com writes:
>
> In a message dated 7/29/02 3:08:07 PM, willker at chemie.uni-bremen.de
> writes:
>
> >John 10:29 hO PATHR MOU hO DEDWKEN MOI PANTWN MEIZON ESTIN, KAI
> OUDEIS
> >DUNATAI ARPAZEIN EK
> >
> >THS CEIROS TOU PATROS.
> >
> >
> >
> >There are several variants in the first part.
> >
> >How would one translate the following variant:
> >
> >hO PATHR MOU hO DEDWKEN MOI MEIZWN PANTWN ESTIN
> >
> >(that means MEIZWN = masculine)
> >
> >
> >
> >Best wishes
> >
> > Wieland
>
> Wieland, I think I would translate, "My Father who gave (them) to me
> is
> greater than all (men, people)." The reading MEIZON would be more
> difficult.
> MEIZWN is a comparative adjective (3rd declen.) agreeing with hO
> PATHR.
> PANTWN is what most call a genitive (ablative) of comparison.
>
But then the relative hO does not agree with its antecedent hO PATHR in
gender. I'd be willing to go along with this rendering if you can show me
other places in the NT where a relative does not agree with its
antecedent in gender -- both words being in the singular, please!
The reading with MEIZON seems to me less difficult because it may be
easily translated as: "What my Father has given me is greater than all
(things, people, whatever)."
hOUTOS hO STICOS M' ANAMIMNHiSKEI AINIGMA:
TI ESTI
MEIZON TOU QEOU
KAKION TOU DIABOLOU,
hOI NEKROI EFAGON
hOI ZWNTES FAGONTES, AN APOQANOIEN;
AUTOU CARITI SOS,
Richard Ghilardi -- qodeshlayhvh at juno.com
EN NEOLIMENI, PARAMAKRWPOTAMWTALANTWSEWS H.P.A.
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