Revelation 1:10
David Thiele
thielogian at yahoo.com
Thu Jun 6 15:40:13 EDT 2002
Mark,
No sooner had I replied to your previous posting than
I wondered if I had expressed myself either wisely or
well. In light of your more recent post I would say
that the difficulties I had were not substantive.
The question originally asked was "Can KURIAKH hHMERA
refer to the eschatological day of the Lord?" My
response is no because the KURIAKH hHMERA is a
"strikingly different" formulation than that used for
the eschatological day of the Lord". Your response
was that it is not strikingly different because it
refers to something else other than the eschatological
day of the Lord. So we come to the same basic
response to the original question. The alternative
understandings of the phrase we offer are different.
So my difficulties with your post had more to do with
"strikingly different" than with KURIAKH hHMERA. I
did not have any difficulty comprehending your
understanding of KURIAKH hHMERA. I think its
perfectly clear and coherent, even though I am not
personally convinced by it.
My apologies if I thoughtlessly clouded the issue in
my previous post.
Regards
David
David Thiele
Pacific Adventist University
Papua New Guinea
--- Mark Wilson <emory2oo2 at hotmail.com> wrote: >
> David:
>
> I'm embarrassed to say that I am unable to
> understand
> your objection to my earlier post. And I responded
> to Tony's
> concern OFFLIST because I thought he simply misread
> my post.
>
> I was simply restating what both Robertson and
> Alford were
> arguing, or at least that was my intention.
>
> First of all, I've never met an Adventist so I am
> clueless
> as to what your presuppositions are. But let me see
> if I can
> restate what I was trying to say. (But first, as to
> the early
> Christians meeting on the first day of the week,
> Sunday, I do NOT
> believe that they met for worship on Sundays... by
> worship I mean
> basically the teaching of the word. They did meet
> before sunrise
> on Sundays as a time when the various house-churches
> got together
> to fellowship. But these Sunday meetings were not
> the designated
> times for study/worship... that was done daily. On
> Sundays, as
> far as I can tell, the various house-churches met to
> celebrate
> the resurrection, for unity and fellowship, and
> later would meet
> at various houses for meals.)
>
> Concerning this:
>
> -------
> >I found your post unusual. The phrase KURIAKH
> hHMERA
> >is different to TH hHMERA TOU KURIOU within the GNT
> >and without. It is unique in the GNT in Rev 1:10.
> -----
>
> What I was trying to say is that the expression
> THi hHMERAi TOU KURIOU is used to reference the
> eschatological Day of the Lord by both Peter and
> Paul,
> and I don't think John uses this expression.
>
> I was also trying to say that the expression
> THi KURIAKHi hHMERAi is nothing more than a basic
> phrase denoting Sunday, the first day of the week.
> But
> NOT the day of worship, as we use the term today.
>
> I was trying to say that the phrase THi KURIAKHi
> hHMERAi
> is not a strikingly different way of referencing the
> eschatological Day of the Lord. It doesn't reference
> it
> at all.
>
> Simply put, the phrase THi KURIAKHi hHMERAi would
> have been
> understood to mean the day the christians celebrated
> the
> resurrection, not the day of worship. The
> celebrate/festival
> was on Sundays, but worship "service" was daily. In
> fact, I
> would be willing to accept that Sunday was the only
> day of
> the week the early christians did NOT worship/study.
>
> I reserve the right to reread this post when I get
> back. I have
> to leave in a hurry this morning.
>
> Now, my thoughts!
>
> Mark Wilson
>
>
>
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