1TIM. 2:15 SWQHSETAI
c stirling bartholomew
cc.constantine at worldnet.att.net
Fri Jun 7 02:13:16 EDT 2002
on 6/6/02 9:32 AM, c stirling bartholomew wrote:
> 1TIM. 2:15 SWQHSETAI DE DIA THS TEKNOGONIAS, EAN MEINWSIN EN PISTEI KAI
> AGAPHi KAI hAGIASMWi META SWFROSUNHS:
>
> Thomas Schreiner* makes a case that SWQHSETAI here refers to eschatological
> salvation. Anyone want to argue with him?
>
> What I am looking for is interaction with Schreiner's treatment of the
> lexical semantic features of SWQHSETAI in this context. If you don't have
> access to Schreiner's books don't let this question detain you. You will
> need to have his books to answer this question.
>
> *Schreiner, Thomas R. Paul, Apostle of God's Glory in Christ: A Pauline
> Theology IVP: 2001 pp. 284-5.
>
> Women in the Church -- A Fresh Analysis of 1 Timothy 2:9-15 edited by
> Andreas Kostenberger, Thomas Schreiner, and H. Scott Baldwin Baker, 1995
>
>
Why do I have a problem with Schreiner's treatment of SWQHSETAI (SWiZW) in
1TIM. 2:15? Several reasons.
1TIM. 4:16 EPECE SEAUTWi KAI THi DIDASKALIAi, EPIMENE AUTOIS: TOUTO GAR
POIWN KAI SEAUTON SWSEIS KAI TOUS AKOUONTAS SOU.
On page 284* while discussing 1TIM. 4:16 Schreiner states
". . . Paul regularly (especially in the Pastorals) uses SWiZW to refer to
eschatological salvation."
Then on the very next page while discussing 1TIM. 2:15:
". . . the meaning of SWiZW in Paul, where without exception it refers to
eschatological salvation."
So in less than one page we have progressed from a regularity to an
absolute. How can something be regular and apply "especially in the
Pastorals" which is made into an absolute statement in the same context?
Second problem.
Schreiner admits that SWiZW understood as eschatological salvation raises
problems in both 1TIM. 2:15 and 1TIM. 4:16. How then can he use as evidence
the following statements?
". . . the meaning of SWiZW in Paul, where without exception it refers to
eschatological salvation."
". . . Paul regularly (especially in the Pastorals) uses SWiZW to refer to
eschatological salvation."
This is not what John Frame calls a broadly circular argument. This is a
very tight circular argument.
--
Clayton Stirling Bartholomew
Three Tree Point
P.O. Box 255 Seahurst WA 98062
*Schreiner, Thomas R. Paul, Apostle of God's Glory in Christ: A Pauline
Theology IVP: 2001 pp. 284-5.
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