Hebrews 9:8

David Thiele thielogian at yahoo.com
Sat Jun 8 15:59:00 EDT 2002


Dear Maurice,

Whereabouts in TDNT?  I can access the volumes but a
reference would be handy.

Regards

David
David Thiele
Pacific Adventist University
Papua New Guinea

--- "Maurice A. O'Sullivan" <mauros at iol.ie> wrote: >
At 12:58 08/06/02, One of the McKays wrote:
> 
> >I am puzzled by this phrase in Hebrews 9:8 and
> particularly the ESV
> >translation.
> >THN TWN hAGIWN hODON
> >is rendered
> >ASV, NASB, New Jerusalem Bible the holy place
> >KJV, NKJV the holiest of all
> >New American Bible, NRSV, RSV the sanctuary
> >NIV the Most Holy Place
> >
> >Is this a plural of majesty [of holiness]?
> >
> >Has anyone encountered any other translation which
> renders "holy places?"
> 
> Westcott
> [ Westcott, B.F. On the Epistle to the Hebrews.
> Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 
> 1984 repr. ] had to wrestle with this, too --
> indeed, some of the versions 
> you quote may well have leant on his musings:
> << ' that the way into the Holy Place ' ......It is
> evident that this 
> phrase ' the Holy place ' must include the ' Holy of
> holies ' ...... even 
> if it does not mean this exclusively. Perhaps
> however a general phrase is 
> chosen by the Apostle to include both the scene of
> worship and the scene of 
> the Divine revelation. The people had no way into
> the Holy place which was 
> open to the priests only; the priests had no way
> into the Holy of holies 
> which was open to the High-priest alone >>
> 
> Ingenious, but not very convincing, would be my own
> reaction.
> 
> Westcott points towards Mt. 10:5 ( as well as Gn.
> 3:24 ) for the 
> construction hH TWN hAGIWN hODOS, as does Wallace in
> his " Greek Grammar 
> Beyond the Basics " where he lists Hb. 9:8, Mt. 10:5
> among his examples of 
> what he terms:
> << 11. Genitive of Destination (a. k. a. Direction)
> or Purpose [destined 
> for, toward]
> a. Definition
> The genitive substantive indicates where the head
> noun is going (or the 
> direction it is "moving" in) or the purpose of its
> existence. This is a 
> somewhat rare category.<<
> 
> 
> There is quite a long section on the metaphorical
> use of hODOS in Mt 10:5 
> and Hb. 9:8 in TDNT ( too long, I think, to quote
> here -- but if you 
> haven't access I can send you a Word doc with the
> Greek fonts embedded; it 
> saves transliterating !! ).
> 
> Regards
> Maurice
> 
> 
> Maurice A. O'Sullivan  [ Bray, Ireland ]
> mauros at iol.ie
> 
> 
> 
> 
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