Antiquitates 15: 260

Jim West jwest at highland.net
Fri Nov 8 13:40:13 EST 2002


At 12:58 PM 11/8/02 -0500, you wrote:

>>first let me remind you that i am talking about apo being "like" and alpha
>>privative (in this case).  it is analogous to an alpha privative-  other
>>analogous examples are found discussed in Blass-Debrunner:
>
>It looks like you've taken these directly from the Index of Greek Words and
>Forms, p. 277. If you checked the paragraphs in BDF, I wonder how you can
>claim that any of these usages of APO indicates anything "like" an alpha
>privative.

carl-- and all- if you would kindly reread what i have written now a number
of times-- i said ANALOGOUSLY.....  an analogy is a comparison.  i am
comparing (using analogy) the use of apo in antiquities with other uses of
apo which demonstrate separation or distance from (like alpha privative).
every example listed shows such separation! to suggest, as some seem to be
doing, that apo NEVER denotes separation is erroneous, clearly in other
texts, and ANALOGOUSLY it seems to be erroneous in antiquities.

>
>>161(1)
>
>This is with verbs or expressions already containing the notion of distance
>away.
>

exactly.... away being the key word and distance running a close second.

>>182
>
>This is with adjective and adverbs of separation.

hmmmmmm... again with the notion of separation.

>
>>140
>
>This concerns usage of APO PROSWPOU representing the Hebrew expression for
>"away from"

hmmmmm again.... separation.....

>
>>217(1)(3)
>
>(1) more on APO PROSWPOU representing Hebrew "away from"
>(3) concerns Hebraism AKOUEIN with APO + gen. in sense "hear someone"
>(where Greek uses AKOUW + genitive
>

hearing means receiving something separated from the mouth of the speaker.
hence, the notion of separation still holds.

>>241(2)(3)
>
>(2) concerns elliptical expressions,in this case AF' hHS (hHMERAS)
>(3) I don't see APO in this par. at all.
>

i do.  FROM the day... still denotes separation for it distinguishes
(separates) one day from others.

>>459(3)
>
>This concerns the usage of APO TOTE, which means "thenceforth," hardly
>"like" an alpha privative.

or FROM thence... and still the idea of separation is present!

hence i hold to my position that the original poster asked about.  apo here
is equivalent to ex or ek and denotes separation from power- and in english
separation from power = inability.


best

jim

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