[B-Greek] re: Col. 1:13

Jason Hare jason at hareplay.com
Fri Aug 22 15:41:54 EDT 2003


** I intended to send this to the list. Sorry for the repeat, TL. ;-) **

TL,

See our transliteration scheme to make sense of the capital letters in the
Greek alphabet system.
http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek

As was stated, the word's "lexical form," which appears to be your biggest
hang-up, is MEQISTHMI. It is composed of two parts: META ("across" or
"after") and hISTHMI ("to stand, set, establish" [trans. except in second
aorist, perfect and pluperfect). (Because hISTHMI was beginning to lose
its -MI endings, it has another form: hISTANW.)

A word's etymology cannot be the deciding factor in the meaning of the word
as used. The definition that you have supplied from your text ("afterstand")
is quite absurd. That is not the meaning of the word at all and will do only
to confuse people. The meaning of the word is not derived from the "after"
meaning of META, but the meaning that deals with "crossing." It means to
stand/set/*move* across! To transfer something from one place to another.

The word in this very verse is METESTHSEN. This form is *first aorist*,
which means that it is transitive (according to the lexical definition of
MEQISTHMI).

I think that the verse is obvious in its meaning. Please, let's not take
this into a theological discussion, but I will give my own feelings on the
verse. This is as far as it should go so that we do not get off-topic. It
states:

hOS ERRUSATO hHMAS EK THS EXOUSIAS TOU SKOTOUS KAI METESHSEN EIS THN
BASILEIAN TOU hUIOU THS AGAPHS AUTOU.

"... who rescued us from the authority of darkness and transfered [us] into
the kingdom of the son of his love."

Sounds like a from-the-storybooks rescue scene to me. We were captives under
one realm's authority. Our knight-in-shining-armor rescued us from that
realm and set us safely under his own protection in his kingdom. **Let's not
go any further**, but this is the impression that I get from this verse. ;-)

Regards,
Jason

----- Original Message -----
From: "TL" <kingt002 at hawaii.rr.com>
To: <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 4:40 PM
Subject: [B-Greek] re: Col. 1:13


Brethren, please forgive the brevity of the first post.  And I¹m on digest
so won¹t get your answers until I¹m back from work anyway.

I was in a hurry and trying to find the base word of what looks like
³metesteysen² from my Greek Concordant Version.  I thought maybe it was a
form of metastases, but haven¹t been able to find that one either although
my memory is pricking me, that I have found that one before.   The closest I
could come to finding anything about this word was to note that it is made
up of roots ³met² - after,  and ³istanoo² ­ stand up or ³isteymi² - stand,
assign, establish.    Thus the Concordant Version uses ³afterstands² as the
English equivalent which does next to nothing in understanding meaning.
Tried to find the word in my New International Dictionary of New Testament
Theology but no luck.  If someone could just point me to the usual form of
the word, I might be able to find something online.  I usually like to see
the other places that a word is used, but if I cannot find the base word,
I¹m outa luck.

I¹m not proficient on endings at this point in time but at least recognize
that they change for plurals, etc.

I know you all are busy and don¹t wish to detract from your researching.

And if you don¹t mind I truly prefer to go by the initials TL.  Although FYI
my full name is TeriLynn King.

T.L. King
Kailua Kona, Hawaii
--
"A net of highly cohesive details reveals the truth."






I'd like some information on the word translated "translate, convey,
brought" in 1:13

> NKJ:
> 13He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the
> kingdom of the Son of His love,

Thanks for your help.

TL

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