[B-Greek] 2nd Corinthians 5:10

Granby at SAFe-mail.net Granby at SAFe-mail.net
Wed Dec 10 14:43:48 EST 2003


Dear Mr. Conrad,
  I understand you reasoning but I feel like that reading is a little too strained.

Is there no time significance to the fact that FANERWQHNAI is an aorist passive infinitive rather than a future passive infinitive?

(I'm trying to see if I can figure this out without making any assumption about the where/when of the judgement seat of Christ: it may not be possible).

Thanks, Charles Granby

(Does anyone aout there know how to use Bibleworks for advanced searches and can e-mail me off list. I have a copy of Bibleworks 5.0 which I picked up used without a manual. I would like to search for every occurence of Aorist infinitives + DEI, and all occurrences of future passive infinitives in Paul's epistles. Thanks a bunch if you can help)
  




-------- Original Message --------
From: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu>
To: Granby at SAFe-mail.net
Cc: B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] 2nd Corinthians 5:10
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:58:01 -0500

> At 12:44 PM -0400 12/10/03, Granby at SAFe-mail.net wrote:
> >TOUS GAR PANTAS hHMAS FANERWQHNAI DEI EMPROSQEN TOU BHMATOS TOU XRISTOU,
> >hINA KOMISHTAI hEKASTOS *TA DIA TOU SWMATOS* PROS hA EPRAXEN
> >
> >I have two questions about his passage.
> >
> >TA DIA TOU SWMATOS
> >
> >How does DIA TOU SWMATOS fit in?
> >I seems to me that it means the location where we will receive, making the
> >whole thing something like 'we will recieve things throughout the body for
> >what we have done'. This differs significantly from most translations
> >which take DIA TOU SWMATOS as a descriptive phrase for where the things we
> >did occurred rather than a description of the location of the receiving.
> >
> >Any insight on this would be appreciated, is there a correct way to read
> >it one way or the other?
> 
> I think rather that KOMISHTAI TA DIA TOU SWMATOS means "receive recompense
> for deeds done in bodily existence." The word order may seem a bit
> strained, as we might expect KOMISHTAI PROS TA hA EPRAXEN DIA TOU SWMATOS;
> I do think that TA here is not simply the article but a demonstrative =
> TAUTA.
> 
> KOMIZOMAI like KTAOMAI and perhaps one or two other Greek verbs is peculiar
> in meaning not only "acquire for oneself" what one is currently receiving
> but often enough "acquire" what is the consequence of something which one
> has done; and the object of these verbs may be the reward/punishment
> received or it may be the original deed now being recompensed. BDAG s.v.
> KOMIZW 3 has this passage
> --------
> KOMISHTAI TA DIA TOU SWMATOS PROS hA EPRAXEN receive a recompense for what
> (each one) has done during life in the body  2 Cor 5:10 (cp. the judgment
> scenes Pla., Phd. 113 and 114; s. also Diod. S. 8, 15)
> -----------
> 
> >My second question- Is there any thing in the greek in this passage that
> >makes the sense of the whole statement a future event rather than an
> >ongoing present occurrence - something along the lines of a present
> >ongoing judgement which effects us in the present in the body, rather than
> >a future grand judgement event ?
> 
> Well, with the aorist infinitive FANERWQHNAI rather than the present
> FAINESQAI one would hardly think of a present ongoing judgment; it looks
> rather like a single appearance before the tribunal of Christ is envisioned.
> -- 
> 
> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics, Washington University (Emeritus)
> 1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
> cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
> WWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/




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