[B-Greek] Daniel 7:14 LXX

Albert Pietersma albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca
Fri Dec 19 20:14:19 EST 2003


Though the difference between LATREUW and DOULEUW may well have been 
accentuated in later Christian thought, in essence it is as old as 
Classical Greek.
Since both Greek versions of Dan use both Greek words for the same 
Aramaic, one should probably conclude that their respective uses in 
7:14 were deliberate. Hence Th thinks (at least primarily) of slavery.
Al
Al

On Dec 19, 2003, at 6:09 PM, <tmcos at rogers.com> wrote:

> Thanks Albert for your reply. What sparked this interest was the
> fact that the Aramaic word used in Dan 7:14, 27 (also 3:12,14, 17-
> 18, 28) in the MT is PELAK. This word which means "to serve"
> also means "to pay reverence to" and it appears elsewhere in
> Ezra 7:24 always in the context of religious service and never civil
> or secular service. The NIV is the only translation that I know that
> uses the word "worship" in Dan 7:14, 27 instead of "serve". One
> can be said to "serve" God in religious texts, but the idea of
> serving certainly carried a different connotation in respect to kings,
> rulers, etc.  While I realize that this may be beyond the scope of
> this list, later Christian theologians made an important distinction
> between LATRIA and DOULIA, the former referring to cultic
> worship or service.  Any reason why Theodotion's version would
> differ here? Many thanks.
>
> Tony
>
>
>> From: Albert Pietersma <albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca>
>> Date: 2003/12/19 Fri PM 05:33:44 EST
>> To: "Tony Costa" <tmcos at rogers.com>
>> CC: Albert Pietersma <albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca>,
>>   <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Daniel 7:14 LXX
>>
>> Tony,
>> If you haven't already done so, you will need to look at the text in
>> full and in both the Septuagint translation and the so-called
>> Theodotionic translation, since they are rather different. The
>> Göttingen edition of Ziegler has recently been superseded by
> the
>> Göttingen edition of Olivier Munnich (though only the LXX text
> has been
>> revised).
>> For the verse in question you can still use Rahlfs, since nothing
> of
>> substance has been changed in it by either Ziegler or Munnich.
>> Not only do the verbs you cite belong to different versions
> (LATREUW =
>> LXX; DOULEUW = TH), but their grammatical subjects also differ
> in the
>> two.
>> The lines in question I would gloss as:
>> LXX: And to him was given royal authority and all the nations of
> the
>> earth?according to kind?and all glory ministering (LATREUW) to
> him.
>> TH: And to him was given rule and honour and kingship; and all
> the
>> peoples, tribes, tongues shall serve him as slaves (DOULEUW).
>> On the two verbs there are no variant readings.
>> Al
>>
>> On Dec 19, 2003, at 3:44 PM, Tony Costa wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Friends, does anyone know if there is a textual variant in
> LXX
>>> Daniel 7:14? When I consulted the parallel readings at
>>> http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/gopher/text/religion/biblical/parallel/
>>>  I noticed there were two readings in this verse when it came
> to the
>>> nations "serving" the son of man of 7:13. One reading has the
> verb
>>> LATREU/OUSA (under DanielOG 7:14) and the other has the
> verb
>>> DOULEU/SOUSIN (under DanielTh 7:13). Is there a variant
> here?
>>>
>>> Tony Costa
>>>
>>>
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>> Albert Pietersma
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>> Near & Middle Eastern Civilizations
>> University of Toronto
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