[B-Greek] IRom 1:0
Carl W. Conrad
cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Mon Dec 22 12:55:57 EST 2003
At 12:19 PM -0500 12/22/03, Polycarp66 at aol.com wrote:
>I think we have neglected to address the question asked "How does -according
>to flesh and spirit- belong to the recipients of the greetings and not to
>-Jesus Christ, Son of the Father-?" It should be noted that the participle
>hHNWMENOIS here is in the dative plural whereas there is no plural noun to
>which
>this would refer. I would suggest that this is a case of KATA SUNESIN or
>constructio ad sensum in which the church (EKKLHSIAi) is understood as
>consisting of
>many members and is therefore spoken of in the plural. This would answer the
>question regarding why it would refer to the recipients of the greetings and
>not to Jesus Christ since he could hardly be understood as a plurality.
George, I don't think there ever was any reason to think that KATA SARKA
KAI PNEUMA referred to IHSOU CRISTOU, although it's true that Bert's own
translation looked like he was taking it that way. But that never really
was a legitimate option. The adverbial expressed precedes the participle
and really there's nothing in the phrase EN ONOMATI IHSOU CRISTOU, hUIOU
PATROS that the adverbial phrase could properly belong with, nor does it
qualify the verb ASPAZOMAI. So I don't really understand why you're raising
that question.
Text of the clause in question:
hHN KAI ASPAZOMAI EN ONOMATI IHSOU CRISTOU, hUIOU PATROS, KATA SARKA KAI PNEUMA
hHNWMENOIS PASHi ENTOLHi AUTOU
The view that I expressed in my previous message was that KATA SARKA KAI
PNEUMA is adverbial to the participle hHNWMENOIS, not to the recipients of
the greeting but to their being united.
As for the dative plural, it continues on, as I noted, in two more dative
plural participles, PEPLHRWMENOIS and APODIULISMENOIS. I'd agree that we'd
have to understand the plural participles construed with THi EKKLHSIAi as a
constructio ad sensum or KATA SUNESIN construction, but Bert's question
about that phrase KATA SARKA KAI PNEUMA belonging to the recipients of the
greeting, that's a moot question, because it doesn't belong to the persons
but to the verb--the participle.
--
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Emeritus)
1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
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