[B-Greek] IRom 1:0

Carl W. Conrad cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Mon Dec 22 20:47:24 EST 2003


At 7:28 PM -0500 12/22/03, <bertdehaan at gosympatico.ca> wrote:
> Thanks to Carl and George for the replies.
>(Sorry for mixing up the v and n for NU in the transliteration.)
>
>The passage I cited was indeed all of what was in the workbook.
>
>I think I am starting to understand the issue but I must confess that I
>certainly do not understand everything you two have written.

A lot of it was trying to make sense of Mounce's citation, which was lifted
out of its context and omitted some items essential to understanding the
syntax (it's really very hard to compile reading selections without
altering a citation to the point that it loses its syntactic constitution);
then it was a matter of construing the items within the two relative
clauses.

>I am gathering that the gist of the passage is something like;
>-Ignatius, to the Church (whom I greet in the name of Jesus Christ, the
>son of the Father) namely to those who are united in body and soul by
>every one of his commandments, Greetings.-
>Is this correct?

Yes, although "ignatius, to the Church ..." was not in the Greek text that
you cited from Mounce's workbook.

>I did indeed take KATA SARKA KAI PNEUMA to belong to Jesus Christ. I
>realized that it couldn't be right because Jesus is not the son of the
>Father according to the flesh, but I want to understand it grammatically.
>In order to 'flesh out' my understanding could you tell me how the
>following sentence would be written in Greek? "Jesus Christ, son of Mary,
>according to the flesh"

I'd convert that as IHSOUS CRISTOS, hO KATA THN SARKA THS MARIAS hUIOS.
That's a little bit awkward--the adverbial phrase needs to depend upon
something that will take an adverb, and with the article, the adverbial
phrase KATA THN SARKA can function adjectivally; you might consider,
however, the phrasing of Paul (NOT Ignatius) in Romans 1:3-4 ... 3 PERI TOU
hUIOU AUTOU TOU GENOMENOU EK SPERMATOS DAUID KATA SARKA, 4 TOU hORISQENTOS
hUIOU QEOU EN DUNAMEI KATA PNEUMA hAGIOSUNHS EX ANASTASEWS NEKRWN, IHSOU
CRISTOU TOU KURIOU hHMWN.

Here you see how KATA SARKA characterizes the phrase GENOMENOU EK SPERMATOS
DAUID, while KATA PNEUMA hAGIOSUNHS EX ANASTASEWS NEKRWN characterizes the
phrase hORISQENTOS hUIOU QEOU EN DUNAMEI.
-- 

Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Emeritus)
1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
WWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/



More information about the B-Greek mailing list