[B-Greek] Fw: OFFLIST 2 Tim 1:3, 2 Tim 3:15 "apo"

Polycarp66 at aol.com Polycarp66 at aol.com
Mon Feb 17 17:06:26 EST 2003


In a message dated 2/17/2003 4:02:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
luke_slate at yahoo.com writes:

    [GfS]
> >6.  by those regarded to be something -- whoever they were -- encumbered me 
> with nothing, but contrarily, seeing that I was entrusted with the gospel 
> for the uncircumcised as Peter the circumcised . . .
> 
> [Luke] What is the precise relationship between the translation of APO and 
> the words of the text? For example, what is the function of APO in the 
> sentence? In fact, how do you translate the whole clause? 
> 
> >6.  APO DE TWN DOKOUNTWN EINAI TI, -- hOPOIOI POTE HSAN OUDEN MOI 
> DIAFEREI; PROSWPON [hO] QEOS ANQRWPOU OU LAMBANEI -- EMOI GAR hOI DOKOUNTES 
> OUDEN PROSANEQENTO, 
> 
> [Luke]: In your reading it seems that Paul is appealing to the good 
> opinion, or rather depth of information, to establish that these were the 
> ones who's opinion mattered. It seems that the text has Paul discounting 
> their status (their esteem for having once been disciples of the historical 
> man Jesus) as being immaterial.
> 
> But assuming that he is saying that the esteemed ones "encumbered me with 
> nothing"  (which does not appear accurate) - doesn't that make Paul 
> "independent of" them?
> 
APO DE TWN DOKOUNTWN EINAI TI = "by those regarded to be something".  If you 
read the sentence omiting the parenthetical material set off by "[[" and 
"]]", you get " But not even Titus who was with me, being a Greek, was 
compelled to be circumcised . . . by those regarded to be something".
  No, this does not make Paul independent of them.  It indicates that he has 
their sanction.

gfsomsel


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