[B-Greek] hETEROI KAKOUPGOI in Luke 23:32
bertdehaan at gosympatico.ca
bertdehaan at gosympatico.ca
Tue Feb 18 20:49:55 EST 2003
>
> From: "Harry W. Jones" <hwjones2 at earthlink.net>
> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 19:20:01 -0800
> To: "b-greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] hETEROI KAKOUPGOI in Luke 23:32
>
>
> Hello Bert and gfsomsel,
>
> This is a very interesting question and the answer seems to be in the
> meaning of the word hETEROS(hETEROI). Looking in BDAG page 399 at entry #1
> it says,"pert. to being distinct from some other item implied or mentioned,
> 'other' " We find hETEROI listed under 1. b. Beta. which gives Luke 23:32
> and translates KAI hETEROI KAKOURGOI DUO as "also two others, who were
> criminals" In other words the two others were distinctly different from
> Jesus.
I understand how hETEROI can function as a noun here with KAKOURGOI DUO giving additional information. Would translating it like;" also others,namely two criminals, were led away with him..." do justice to this?
One more question: How would it have to be written if hETEROI functioned like an adjective modifying KAKOURGOI (this is possible is it not?)so that it would read in English something like: "Also different kinds of criminals were led away..."
Bert de Haan
>
> Also BDF in sec. 306(5) page 160 gives the translation as "and, besides,
> two malefactors"
>
> So we can see that hETEROI is actually separating(or contrasting) Jesus
> from being the same as the two criminals.
>
> Best Regards,
> Harry Jones
>
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: <Polycarp66 at aol.com>
> > To: <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>; <bertdehaan at gosympatico.ca>
> > Date: 2/17/03 5:22:40 AM
> > Subject: Re: [B-Greek] hETEROI KAKOUPGOI in Luke 23:32
> >
> > In a message dated 2/17/2003 12:42:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > bertdehaan at gosympatico.ca writes:
> >
> > > Luke 23:32.-HGONTO DE KAI hETEROI KAKOURGOI DUO CUN AUTWi ANAIREQHNAI-.
> I
> > > started translating this as; "Two other evildoers were led away with
> him to
> > > be killed". Knowing that Jesus was not an evildoer I thought maybe it
> has
> > > to be; "Two others,evildoers, were led away with him to be killed". But
> now
> > > I am translating it into what I want it to read. Is there anything in
> the
> > > Greek text that indicates it has to be one way or the other? Thank you.
> > > Bert de Haan
> > >
> >
> > The clue is in the word hETEROI. On pp. 748, 749 Robertson deals with
> this
> > specifically mentioning this verse. He notes that with a duality the
> idea of
> > difference grows out of this duality. He deals with this verse, however,
> > under "'Another' of Three or More". I think this is a mistake. While
> there
> > are three involved (Jesus and two criminals), there are two groups --
> Jesus
> > vs. two criminals. This would imply a difference. Robertson himself
> seems
> > to sense this since though he notes that it comes "to be employed with
> more
> > than two and with no idea of difference" he also states "This difference
> may
> > also be implied by Luke in 23:32."
> >
> > gfsomsel
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