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>    1. Final Head Count for E-Lister's SBL Meeting (Jeffrey B. Gibson)
>    2. recommend a lexicon or similar tool? (Ted Shoemaker)
>    3. RE: recommend a lexicon or similar tool? (Ken Penner)
>    4. Acts 4:12b (Mitch Larramore)
>    5. Re: Acts 4:12b (Doug Hoxworth)
>    6. Re: Acts 4:12b (Doug Hoxworth)
>    7. Grammar Books and Bindings (Raymond Regalado)
> 
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:57:01 -0600
> From: "Jeffrey B. Gibson" <jgibson000 at comcast.net>
> Subject: [B-Greek] Final Head Count for E-Lister's SBL Meeting
> To: Biblical Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> With apologies for cross posting.
> 
> FYI, here's the head count as of 11:45am Friday, Nov. 21st, 2003, of
> those E-Listers who intend to attend the SBL conference and the
> E-Lister's meeting.
> 
> I look forward to seeing you all in Atlanta
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Jeffrey Gibson
> 
> ANE
> 
> Cynthia Edenburg, The Open University of Israel
> presenting a paper in the Deuteronomistic History section, Sat. Nov 22,
> at 4:00 PM. The paper is titled: The story of the Outrage at Gibeah
> (Jdg. 19-21) and its relation to the Deuteronomistic History=20
> 
> Lisa Karnan ("Lisa Ethhp"), Claremont Graduate University
> (no paper)
> 
> Everett Oakley
> (no paper)
> 
> Gerald A. Klingbeil
> paper in the Biblical Lands and Peoples in Archaeology and Text Section
> (S24-104) on Monday 4pm-6:30pm
> 
> Title: "Man's Other Best Friend." The Interaction of Equids and Man in
> Daily Life in Iron Age II Palestine as Seen in Texts, Artifacts, and
> Images"
> 
> ARAMAIC-L
> 
> Trevor Peterson
> presenting a paper "The Role of ZE in Questions", .Tuesday morning,
> Linguistics and Biblical Hebrew section.
> 
> 
> B-GREEK
> 
> Cynthia Long Westfall,  Colorado Christian University
> paper on "A Method for the Analysis of Prominence" in the Biblical Greek
> Language and Linguistics Secton
> Saturday, Nov. 22 at approximately 4:30.
> 
> Susan Jeffers
> (no paper)
> 
> Carlton Winberry
> (no paper)
> 
> John Schwandt
> representing the National Biblical Greek Exam in booth 401 (one aisle
> over
> from Gramcord)
> 
> BIBLICAL-STUDIES
> 
> Jim West
> (no paper)
> 
> Arnie Perlstein
> (no paper)
> 
> Ethan Perlstein
> 
> Kofi Bart-Martin
> (no paper)
> 
> CORPUS-PAULINUM
> Edgar Krentz
> no paper but participating in the HHellenistic Ethics and New Testament
> Group
> 
> Susan M. (Eli) Elliott
> sharing a paper entitled "Notes on Method for (a?) People's History of
> Christianity" in a pre-meeting for the People's History of Christianity
> project.
> 
> Billy Evans
> (no paper)
> 
> James E Miller
> (no paper)
> 
> Mark Nanos
> giving a paper in SBL 24-108 Early Jewish Christian Relations Section,
> Monday, Nov. 24, 4:00-6:30 p.m. Panelists will address the ways in which
> Pauline scholarship knowingly or unknowingly impacts Jewish/Christian
> relations.
> 
> Sheila McGinn, John Carroll University
> presenting in the AAR Academic Teaching group and  responding in the
> "Rise of the Historical Consciousness" section.
> 
> Bill Skelton
> (no paper)
> 
> Lynn Allan Kauppi, Abingdon Press
> (no paper)
> 
> James C. Miller
> (no paper)
> 
> Kathy Ehrensperger,  University of Wales
> (no paper)
> 
> Norman Hutchinson
> (no paper)
> 
> Perry L. Stepp, Associate Professor, Biblical Studies, Kentucky
> Christian College
> (no paper)
> 
> Jerry L. Sumney, Lexington Theological Seminary
> (no paper)
> 
> E-MATTHEW
> 
> R. Keith Whitt
> (no paper)
> 
> Munachi E. Ezeogu, (Regis College/Toronto School of Theology)
> presenting a paper "Surely We Are Not Blind, Are We?" An African
> Theological Reading of the
> Story of the Healing of the Man Born Blind, John 9:1-41" under the
> auspices of African Biblical Hermeneutics Consultation on Saturday,
> November 22 at 1:00-3:30 pm (S22-51)
> 
> G-THOMAS
> 
> Mike Grondin
> (no paper)
> 
> HUGOYE
> 
> Naomi Koltun-Fromm
> chairing a session: S24-112 Tues 4-6:30 HY Techwood. History and
> Literature of Early Rabbinic Judaism.
> 
> Robert J. V. Hiebert,  Associated Canadian Theological Schools of
> Trinity Western University
> paper will be in the Biblical Lexicography Section, Session 2: Theme -
> "Lexicography and Translation, with Special Reference to the
> Septuagint."
> It will be on Tuesday, Nov. 25, S25-5, during the 9:00-11:30 am block
> (about
> 10:20-10:45?).  My paper topic is: "Lexicography and the Translation of
> a
> Translation: The NETS Version and the Septuagint of Genesis."
> 
> 
> IOUDAIOS
> 
> Albert L. Lukaszewski, University of Saint Andrews
> presenting two papers:   (1) "Reconstructing Ancient Texts Using Open
> Source Software" in the
> Computer Assisted Research Section on Sunday, 23 November (1300-1530)
> and (2) "Qumran Aramaic and the Quest for Early Christian Sources" in
> the Aramaic Studies Section on Monday, 24 November (1600-1830)
> 
> Steve Ulrich
> (no paper)
> 
> Liz Fried
> Presenting a paper entitled: "Who Wrote Ezra-Nehemiah, and why did he?",
> Monday, November 24th SBL S24-8 Chronicles-Ezra-Nehemiah Section 9:00 AM
> - 11:30 AM
> 
> Robert A. Kraft, Religious Studies, University of Pennsylvania
> "Exploring Greek Jewish Scribal Practices: the Evidence from the
> Earliest  LXX/OG Fragments"  around 11 am Sunday, Nov. 23rd, ,
> Hellenistic Judaism Section S23-9, and "Pursuing Papyrology via the
> Web", Sunday,  1 pm, CARG S23-58, and also working as panel moderator
> in  a PSCO special session Friday 7pm (not on the program) on:
> "Parabiblical Prosopography" in Marrriot Marquis Amsterdam Room.
> 
> 
> JOHN-LIT
> 
> James McGrath, Butler University
> Presenting  two papers:  (1) "Worship and the Question of Jewish
> Polytheism in the Hellenistic Age" in the Hellenistic Judaism Section
> 9:00 AM - 11:30 AM,  Tuesday, November 25th;  (2) "Rebuilding the Temple
> - Jesus' Timetable for the Dawn of a New Age?" Historical Jesus Section
> 4:00 PM - 6:30 PM,  Monday, November 24th
> 
> Armand J. "Joe" Gagne Jr, University of South Carolina Sumter
> (no paper)
> 
> Elizabeth Danna
> (no paper)
> 
> KATA-MARKON
> Gudrun Guttenberger,  Evangelische Fachhochschule,  Hannover
> presenting a paper "Guilty of Blasphemy. Monotheism, the Rejection of
> Jesus and the Messianic
> Secret" in the Mark Group  (S23-15), Sunday, November 23rd, 9:00 AM -
> 11:30 AM
> 
> Felix Just
> (no paper)
> 
> 
> SYNOPTIC-L
> 
> Stephen Carlson
> (no paper)
> 
> Mark Goodacre,  University of Birmingham
> All-in-One Biblical Resources Search
> in the Computer Assisted Research Section, Saturday 1 p.m.
> 
> R. Steven Notley, Nyack College NYC
> presenting two papers:  (1) "Abel the Righteous" in Scripture in Early
> Judaism and Christianity
> Section SAT 1-3:30 (S22-69).   (2) "The Search for Bethsaida...Is It
> Over?  Historical and Geographical
> Evidence for the Site Identification of Bethsaida" in Biblical Lands
> andPeoples in Archaeology and Text Session MON 1-3:30 (S24-53).
> 
> John C. Poirier
> presenting a paper on "The Ouranology of the Apocalypse of Abraham " in
> the Pseudepigrapha Section (S24-20), Monday morning (Nov. 24), about
> 10:00 am.
> 
> Randall Buth,  Lecturer, Biblical Hebrew Rothberg  International School
> Hebrew University
> "A Four-fold Shma Between Qumran and the Gospels" Qumran section, Sunday
> 1pm
> 
> Shawn Kelly
> Presenting a paper, "The Prisonhouse of Parables: Racialization in
> the era of Methodological Innovation", for the Ideological Criticism
> Section on Sunday afternoon in the 1-3:30 session.
> 
> Shawn's book, _Racializing  Jesus: Race, Ideology and the Formation of
> Modern Biblical Scholarship_
> is being reviewed in a joint session (Ideological Criticism, Historical
> Jesus,  African American Hermeneutics) on Saturday Afternoon at 4 PM.
> 
> Mark A. Matson,  Milligan College
> Two papers:  (1) in Synoptic gospels section a paper entitled
> "Interactive Rhetoric in Matthew: An exploration of Audience Knowledge
> Competency" -- paper to be summarized;  and (2)  In Lit/Crit section a
> paper entitled "A Time to Tell"
> 
> Jeffery A. Green
> (no paper)
> 
> Paul Buckley
> (no paper)
> 
> 
> T-C LIST
> 
> Bill Warren,  New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary
> "The Robertson Codex, A Forgotten Four-Gospel Codex" on Tuesday in the
> NTTC section
> 
> Amy S Anderson, Associate Professor of Greek and New Testament North
> Central University
> (no paper)
> 
> James Adair
> (no paper)
> 
> X-TALK
> 
> C(live) F(rank) Jacks
> (no paper)
> 
> Jeffrey Gibson
> Presenting a paper "The Markan Purpose for the Charge of Blasphemy in
> Mark 14:64" in the Mark Group  (S23-15), Sunday, November 23rd, 9:00 AM
> - 11:30 AM
> 
> Gordon Raynal
> (no paper)
> 
> Zeba A. Crook, Carleton University
> Social Scientific Criticism of the New Testament Section, S23-69
> (1-3:30pm, Sunday; HY Hanover E):  "Loyalty, Disloyalty, and Ancient
> Conversion."
> 
> Rhetoric and the New Testament Section, S24-124 (4-6:30 pm, Monday;
> HY-Centennial II): "Patronal Synkrisis in Phil 3:4b-11."
> 
> Robert L. Webb
> (no paper)
> 
> Steve Black
> (no paper)
> 
> Rikki Watts
> (no paper)
> 
> James D.G. Dunn
> (no paper)
> 
> Henry Carrigan, Trinity Press International
> (no paper -- but go and visit him at the Trinity Booth)
> 
> Gail Dawson
> (no paper)
> 
> Ted Weeden
> responding to the papers being presented by Bauckham, Mitchell and
> Matson at the Synoptic Gospels Section on Saturday afternoon, 4:00-6:30.
> 
> --
> 
> Jeffrey B. Gibson, D.Phil. (Oxon.)
> 
> 1500 W. Pratt Blvd. #1
> Chicago, IL 60626
> 
> jgibson000 at comcast.net
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:50:57 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ted Shoemaker <tedsmath at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [B-Greek] recommend a lexicon or similar tool?
> To: B-Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> 
>  
> Hello,
> 
> People have recently discussed lexicons on this list.  I would like
> to add my own question:
> I have three or four lexicons of Koine Greek and one of Attic.  I am
> interested in getting a lexicon (or "word study guide" or whatever
> other tool might be more appropriate) that would help me in more
> depth.  That is, I want a tool that will tell me a lot about the word
> in question, but without denominational (or anti-denominational)
> bias.
> 
> Given these parameters, what would you recommend in such such a case?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Ted Shoemaker
> 
> 
> =====
> Ted Shoemaker
>  
> You have to know what the rules are, and why, before you can break them intelligently.
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:30:27 -0500
> From: "Ken Penner" <pennerkm at mcmaster.ca>
> Subject: RE: [B-Greek] recommend a lexicon or similar tool?
> To: "'Ted Shoemaker'" <tedsmath at yahoo.com>, "'B-Greek'"
> <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <008701c3b076$aff2cba0$9032d0d8 at desktop>
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> 
> Hi Ted, 
> 
> In order to recommend a lexicon or word study tool it would be helpful to
> know what you already have.
> Myself, I wouldn't want to be without BDAG, LSJ, TDNT, Louw-Nida, and Kubo
> in that order, each for different purposes. Others likely will recommend
> something more recent or biased differently than Kittel's TDNT. We all know
> no lexicon is infallible, but BDAG and TDNT (and LSJ to some extent) at
> least provide enough information to improve on their interpretations.
> 
> Ken Penner, Ph.D. (cand.), McMaster University
> Vocabulary Memorization software:
> http://socserv.socsci.mcmaster.ca/westerholm/flash or
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flash_pro/join 
> 
> > People have recently discussed lexicons on this list.  I would like
> > to add my own question:
> > I have three or four lexicons of Koine Greek and one of Attic.  I am
> > interested in getting a lexicon (or "word study guide" or whatever
> > other tool might be more appropriate) that would help me in more
> > depth.  That is, I want a tool that will tell me a lot about the word
> > in question, but without denominational (or anti-denominational)
> > bias.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:09:27 -0800 (PST)
> From: Mitch Larramore <mitchlarramore at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [B-Greek] Acts 4:12b
> To: B Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> 
> 
> OUDE GAR ONOMA ESTIN hETERON hUPO TON OURANON TO
> DEDOMENON EN ANQRWPOIS EN hWi DEI SWQHNAI hHMAS
> 
> I cannot find a good English translation for this
> passage, even the NET Bible has...
> 
> "for there is no other name under heaven given among
> people by which we must be saved."
> 
> The word "must" doesn't seem to fit well. The Greek
> idea is, I think, "there is no other name...by which
> it is [even] possible to be saved." (I threw in that
> "even" for emphasis.)
> 
> Can someone give me a better English translation of
> this?
> 
> 
> =====
> Mitch Larramore
> Spring Branch, Texas
> Student/Memorial High School
> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:21:26 -0500
> From: "Doug Hoxworth" <dhoxworth at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Acts 4:12b
> To: Mitch Larramore <mitchlarramore at yahoo.com>, B Greek
> <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> 
> i found the cotton patch translation interesting (though 
> not a translation but paraphrase):
> 
> And the answer lies in him alone, for there isn't another 
> person in the whole world who can rescue us.
> 
> On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:09:27 -0800 (PST)
>   Mitch Larramore <mitchlarramore at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >OUDE GAR ONOMA ESTIN hETERON hUPO TON OURANON TO
> >DEDOMENON EN ANQRWPOIS EN hWi DEI SWQHNAI hHMAS
> >
> >I cannot find a good English translation for this
> >passage, even the NET Bible has...
> >
> >"for there is no other name under heaven given among
> >people by which we must be saved."
> >
> >The word "must" doesn't seem to fit well. The Greek
> >idea is, I think, "there is no other name...by which
> >it is [even] possible to be saved." (I threw in that
> >"even" for emphasis.)
> >
> >Can someone give me a better English translation of
> >this?
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:22:49 -0500
> From: "Doug Hoxworth" <dhoxworth at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Acts 4:12b
> To: Mitch Larramore <mitchlarramore at yahoo.com>, B Greek
> <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <web-9597240 at rems03.cluster1.charter.net>
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> 
> here's a translation from the aramaic:
> 
> And no one else can Save you! For there is no other name 
> under heaven, that is given to humanity, through which we 
> receive the Covenant of Life.
> 
> http://www.v-a.com/bible/acts-4.html
> 
> On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:09:27 -0800 (PST)
>   Mitch Larramore <mitchlarramore at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >OUDE GAR ONOMA ESTIN hETERON hUPO TON OURANON TO
> >DEDOMENON EN ANQRWPOIS EN hWi DEI SWQHNAI hHMAS
> >
> >I cannot find a good English translation for this
> >passage, even the NET Bible has...
> >
> >"for there is no other name under heaven given among
> >people by which we must be saved."
> >
> >The word "must" doesn't seem to fit well. The Greek
> >idea is, I think, "there is no other name...by which
> >it is [even] possible to be saved." (I threw in that
> >"even" for emphasis.)
> >
> >Can someone give me a better English translation of
> >this?
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 12:54:25 +0900
> From: Raymond Regalado <fwgk5942 at mb.infoweb.ne.jp>
> Subject: [B-Greek] Grammar Books and Bindings
> To: B Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <903195C8-1C9F-11D8-8D49-000393D21E3A at mb.infoweb.ne.jp>
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> 
> Dear List,
> 
> My copy of Wallace's "Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics" just arrived 
> today.  I can't wait to progress far enough in my studies for the book 
> to become useful to me.  One lament I have, though, is that this huge 
> tome doesn't seem to have a sewn binding.  One would think that such 
> big hard-bound books ought to have their spines sewn instead of glued.  
> In fact, none of the Zondervan Greek books I have have sewn bindings!  
> Come to think of it, not even the expensive leather-bound NIV Study 
> Bible has a sewn binding.  Or maybe they are sewn and I just can't make 
> out the threads?  This seems unlikely.  The old copy of Machen's 
> grammar I bought second-hand has a very sturdy, sewn binding, though, 
> and is obviously made to withstand the rough handling it's getting.
> 
> Puzzled,
> 
> Raymond Regalado
> Tokyo, Japan
> 
> 
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