John 20:31 was Re: [B-Greek] Phil 2:11

Doug Hoxworth dhoxworth at charter.net
Tue Oct 14 15:11:13 EDT 2003


><Stephen>
>It depends on what your mean by the stressed THE. I supose hOTI hO IHSOUS ESTIN hO CRISTOS would work, but if you meant to also indicate the uniqueness of the Messiah, then it may be more clearly rendered with MONOS or MONOGENOS, etc.

<doug>
but with what is above we may have just as much of a 
problem identifying the subject. my point was that perhaps 
both nouns are definite and the article is used on CRISTOS 
to emphasize it rather than to idetify the subject. 
besides the fact that in the context, IHSOUS is the 
subject not CRISTOS (cf. v. 30).

i also wanted to emphasize that articles are used for more 
than just identifying the subject of a sentence when using 
the copula. so if this is his only argument, it does not 
appear fool-proof to me. if there is more than this to it, 
i'd be interested in hearing it.

><Stephen>
>Of course, but fronting achieves its effect when the subject and predicate were already unambiguous. The issue here is identifying the subject and predicate.

<doug>
is fronting never used when the subject and predicate are 
ambigious? i don't understand your point. i was saying 
that most likely both IHSOUS and CRISTOS are definite and 
the subject is identified by the fronting as well as 
following the context down from v. 30.



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