[B-Greek] RE: Gramcord Lite for PDAs

Con Campbell concampbell at netspace.net.au
Wed Sep 3 19:13:57 EDT 2003


I use Gramcord Lite on my Pocket PC (not Palm), which works in conjunction
with BibleReader from Olive Tree (www.olivetree.com). I think the Olive Tree
stuff is great, and I really like Gramcord Lite. The search function is not
all that great, but to be able to tap on words and get a lexical entry as
well as parsing is fantastic. With BibleReader you can also split the
screen, so that you can have an English version open at the same time as the
Greek. And in case you're interested, OliveTree offers the best OT Hebrew on
PDA that I have seen.

Con Campbell


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Today's Topics:

   1. Hina with future indicative (Ron)
   2. Archives (Ron)
   3. Could anyone give me their thoughts on Gramcord Lite for
      PDA's?  How well does it work, is there any (Jason Rachels)
   4. SV: [B-Greek] Archives (Mattias)
   5. petros and petras (Herb Torres)
   6. ORCEOMAI and KORASION (Mitch Larramore)
   7. Re: ORCEOMAI and KORASION (Ben and Jo Crick)
   8. Re: Hina with future indicative (Clwinbery at aol.com)
   9. Re: Archives (Clwinbery at aol.com)
  10. Ancient Versions (Barry Hofstetter)
  11. Thank you, I became a member  (HigashiNobuo)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 12:19:06 -0400
From: Ron <ronpt at comcast.net>
Subject: [B-Greek] Hina with future indicative
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
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Am studying Revelation 6:4,  and wondered if there is a substantial
difference in emphasis when an author used Hina with the future
indicative as opposed to Hina with the subjunctive to express purpose.

Thanks in advance,
Ron Snider


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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 12:22:25 -0400
From: Ron <ronpt at comcast.net>
Subject: [B-Greek] Archives
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
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I was also wondering (after my post) if there was a simply way to search
the archives before I asked a question to see if the subject had been
previously covered?

Ron Snider


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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 12:36:12 -0400
From: "Jason Rachels" <JasonR at CCAEAGLES.ORG>
Subject: [B-Greek] Could anyone give me their thoughts on Gramcord
	Lite for	PDA's?  How well does it work, is there any
To: <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
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Could anyone give me their thoughts on Gramcord Lite for PDA's?  How
well does it work, is there anything else on the market that is better?
Etc.

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:50:06 +0200
From: "Mattias" <fiolmattias at hotmail.com>
Subject: SV: [B-Greek] Archives
To: <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> I was also wondering (after my post) if there was a simply way to search
> the archives before I asked a question to see if the subject had been
> previously covered?
>
> Ron Snider


Yepp, at
http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-greek/

Mattias Eklund
Sweden

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 14:42:00 -0500
From: "Herb Torres" <herb_torres at hotmail.com>
Subject: [B-Greek] petros and petras
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I just read some commentary from DA Carson on Matt 16:18. He says that the
words petros and petra lost their distinctivness in classical literature. It
seems as though he is making them synonomous. What are the distinctives of
petros and petras in the New Testament?

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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 14:03:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mitch Larramore <mitchlarramore at yahoo.com>
Subject: [B-Greek] ORCEOMAI and KORASION
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In Matthew chapter 14 both of these words are found
and refer to Herod's step-daughter 'dancing'. Is it
the case that ORCEOMAI would mean something closer to
'playing' since it is used with KORASION (a small
child)? Apparently this is the same word used by Aesop
in describing children playing, not dancing like a
school dance.

Does KORASION mean under the age of a teenager?


=====
Mitch Larramore
Spring Branch, Texas
Student/Memorial High School

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Message: 7
Date: Wed,  3 Sep 2003 00:00:03 +0100
From: ben.crick at argonet.co.uk (Ben and Jo Crick)
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] ORCEOMAI and KORASION
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
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On Tue  2 Sep 2003 (14:03:19), mitchlarramore at yahoo.com wrote:
> Does KORASION mean under the age of a teenager?
>

 ISTR a question on these lines in 1999, which was admirably answered at the
 time by Chris Hutson. No doubt it will be in the Archives somewhere; but
the
 relevant part which I saved out was:

 "As for the females, there are likewise the infant (BREFOS) and the
PAIDION;
 and after this PAIDISKARION and PAIDISKION, and KORION, and KORASION, and
 KORISKH, and PARQENISKH; and after this PAIS, and PARQENOS, and KORH.
 Then again comes the time of marrying (hO TOU GAMEISQAI KAIROS), which
would
 be the fifth year after puberty, as Herodotus would deem  appropriate, when
 she would also be called bride.
 And after the marriage, woman and mother (GUNH KAI MHTHR); she might
already
 also be called a MEIRAC.
 And after this, young woman (GUNH NEA);
 then middle-aged (MESH);
 then again like-wise advanced (PROBEBHKUIA), greying (PROPOLIOS);
 then old woman (GRAUS) and elder (PRESBUTIS), the same thing;
 then extremely old (ESXATOGHRWS)."

 So yes, it appears that a KORASION is under a teenager.

 ERRWSQE

 Ben
--
 Revd Ben Crick BA CF, and Mrs Joanna (Goodwin) Crick
 <ben.crick at argonet.co.uk>
 232 Canterbury Road, Birchington, Kent, CT7 9TD (UK)
 http://www.cnetwork.co.uk/crick.htm




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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:49:05 EDT
From: Clwinbery at aol.com
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Hina with future indicative
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
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In a message dated 9/2/03 11:05:51 AM, ronpt at comcast.net writes:

>Am studying Revelation 6:4,  and wondered if there is a substantial
>difference in emphasis when an author used Hina with the future
>indicative as opposed to Hina with the subjunctive to express purpose.
>
The text is .  .  .EDOQH AUTWi LABEIN THN EIRHNHN EK THS GHS KAI hINA
ALLHLOUS SFAZOUSIN, . . .

I really do not see any difference in what seems to be said as opposed to
the use of hINA with the subjunctive. Some commentaries have asserted
that the use of the future indicative gives a stronger degree of certainty,
but some of the uses of the subjunctive are very strong indeed, especially
in 1 John.  I think there are more of these in the Revelation than
elsewhere.

Carlton Winbery
Louisiana College

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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:55:29 EDT
From: Clwinbery at aol.com
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Archives
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"


In a message dated 9/2/03 11:07:29 AM, ronpt at comcast.net writes:

>I was also wondering (after my post) if there was a simply way to search
>the archives before I asked a question to see if the subject had been
>previously covered?
>
Unfortunately you will have to search two archives. For the recent post
go to <http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-greek/> and for the older
archives go to <http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/archives/>. Both have
search engines that I have found adequate.

Carlton Winbery
Louisiana College

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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 00:56:35 -0400
From: "Barry Hofstetter" <nebarry.bh at verizon.net>
Subject: [B-Greek] Ancient Versions
To: <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <008401c371d7$c0ace710$0200000a at barry>
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This is somewhat off topic, but:

Does anyone know of a source which would compare the ancient versions'
renderings of John 1:1?  You know, Coptic, Old Slavonic, Armenian, Syriac
and
any others.  I am interested if any of these versions render QEOS in John
1:1c
indefinitely.

Thanks, and since this is mildly off topic, probably best to respond by
private
email...

nebarry at verizon.net

N.E. Barry Hofstetter
Associate Pastor, Chinese Gospel Church
Professor of Theological and Biblical Studies
 The Center for Urban Theological Studies
         Philadelphia, PA
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze1yfx7/


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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:35:26 +0900
From: "HigashiNobuo" <higa_nob at d3.dion.ne.jp>
Subject: [B-Greek] Thank you, I became a member
To: "B-GreekOrg" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
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Thank you, I became a member of this B-Greek Mailing List just yesterday.
I was searching "Rom.8:30" on Yahoo, and "EDOXASEN In Romans 8:30"(in Mar
2001, by Glen) in your web site hit. I am also interested in the subject.
May I write some comments?
Thank you.

Higashi Nobuo



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