[B-Greek] 1 COR 11.7
waldo slusher
waldoslusher at yahoo.com
Tue Sep 30 10:58:44 EDT 2003
Carl:
I'm not following you on this. English negation
differentiates between Porter's ENGLISH gloss "A man
is not obligated to cover his head" and your gloss
"ought NOT to cover his head." Even in English, these
are quite different semantically! And in fact, you
quote BDAG as Englishing OUK OFEILEI exactly as
Porter: "children are under no obligation to lay up
money for their parents." This is substantially
different than: "children ought NOT to lay up money
for their parents." I think you are arguing against
Porter's gloss (a man is not obligated to cover his
head) but I fail to see where you are headed with this
resolution in light of quoting this passage by BDAG in
2 Cor 12:14.
Waldo
--- "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu>
wrote:
> At 5:45 AM -0700 9/30/03, waldo slusher wrote:
> >ANHR MEN GAR OUK OFEILEI KATAKALUPTESQAI THN
> KEPALHN
> >
> >Porter's gloss of this is approximately:
> >
> >"A man is not obligated to cover his head"
> >
> >This gloss is somewhat in opposition to most
> English
> >translations, implying to me that a man may choose
> to
> >cover his head if he prefers. Anyone objection to
> this gloss?
>
> I think that this may be more of an
> English-translation problem than one of
> the meaning of the Greek; the Greek certainly means
> "ought NOT to cover his
> head" or "should NOT cover his head." Greek negates
> the auxiliary in
> constructions like this, whereas English negates the
> complementary
> infinitive, so that OU DEI means "there is an
> obligation NOT to do X" and
> OUK ANAGKH means "there is a compulsion NOT to do x"
>
> BDAG s.v. OFEILW 2aB: be obligated. w. inf. foll.
> one must, one ought (Hom.
> [Il. 19, 200] et al.; ins, pap; 4 Macc 11:15; 16:19;
> Philo, Agr. 164, Spec.
> Leg. 1, 101; TestJos 14:6; Just., A I, 4, 4 al.;
> Mel., P. 76, 550; Iren.,
> Did.) hO OFEILOMEN POIHSAI PEPOIHKAMEN Lk 17:10.
> KATA TON NOMON OFEILEI
> APOQANEIN J 19:7. Cp. 13:14; Ro 15:1, 27; 1 Cor
> 7:36; 9:10; 11:10; Eph
> 5:28; 2 Th 1:3; 2:13; Hb 2:17; 5:3, 12; 1J 2:6;
> 3:16; 4:11; 3J 8; 1 Cl
> 38:4; 40:1; 48:6; 51:1; 2 Cl 4:3; B 1:7; 2:1, 9f;
> 4:6; 5:3; 6:18; 7:1, 11;
> 13:3; Pol 5:1; 6:2; Hs 8, 9, 4 v.l.; 9, 13, 3; 9,
> 18, 2; 9, 28, 5. Negat.
> one ought not, one must not (Jos., Vi. 149; Ar. 13,
> 5) Ac 17:29; 1 Cor
> 11:7; 1 Cl 56:2; Hm 4, 1, 3; 8; s 5, 4, 2; 9, 18, 1.
> Cp. 2 Cl 4:3. OUK
> OFEILEI TA TEKNA TOIS GONEUSI QHSAURIZEIN children
> are under no obligation
> to lay up money for their parents 2 Cor 12:14.
> --
>
> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics, Washington University
> (Emeritus)
> 1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828)
> 675-4243
> cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
> WWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/
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