[B-Greek] RE: future non-indicatives

R Yochanan Bitan Buth ybitan at mscc.huji.ac.il
Tue Apr 6 12:28:57 EDT 2004


CAIREIN, I suppose that Carl may be adding, or have added, a note to the
discussion on future participles, since I am on a time-warp from most
discussions. ANEXESQE MOY. I will add a note to Joseph and Waldo.

While it is true that a future participle or non-indicative can be analyzed
as future to an anchor-verb, its subordinate nature must be included in
order to understand its function and use. In general, future participial
clauses function as 
demoted purpose clauses. 

"Demoted"? That means that rather than mark the purpose relationship with
INA and using a full finite verb the author demotes the clause to a
non-finite level and leaves the relationship less-marked lexically.

"Purpose" refers to an intention that has not yet been realized from the
point of view of the main verb, the anchor verb.

ERRWSQE

Randall Buth

 
Randall Buth, PhD
Director, Biblical Language Center
www.biblicalulpan.org
and Director, Biblical Studies in Israel
Rothberg International School
Hebrew University
ybitan at mscc.huji.ac.il
-----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Re: Future non-Indicatives (Was: Imperative
	Mood)
To: Joseph Weaks <j.weaks at tcu.edu>, Biblical Greek
	<b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>

Joseph:

Bear in mind that even Finite Indicative verbs can be
conceived of as having "relative" time. They stand in
"relation" to the deictic center. Participles also
have a relative temporal nature, one that stands in
relation to the main verb (which partly acts like a
deictic point, but also functions as a subordinate
clause). But do not discount the temporal nature of
participles because they are not Indicatives.
Participles behave very consistently when it comes to
their temporal natures. With reference to time, they
are predictable and logical.

Please note that each Future Participle you list below
is indeed future. This is because adverbial
participles behave quite regularly with reference to
time. As to the Aspect of Future participles, I would
expect to find something comparable to the Aorist
participle, undefined. It more so seems to identify
the event rather than describe it.

Waldo


--- Joseph Weaks <j.weaks at tcu.edu> wrote:
> On Apr 5, 2004, at 8:54 AM, WFWarren at aol.com wrote:
> > The future indicative would be close to the
> subjunctive in that the
> > referent is not yet realized, but the expectation
> would be that it 
> > would be
> > realized with substantial assurance.
> 
> A couple years ago, while teaching in a NT Greek
> Intro class, a student 
> asked me about future participles since temporal
> indicators slip away 
> outside of the Indicative.  I talked about the
> temporal indicator of 
> participles being relative to the main verb. But the
> whole time, I felt 
> a little shaky. Would you venture anything
> aspectual? Any thoughts on 
> them, or the infinitives either? There are alot more
> infinitives, and 5 
> optatives and even a future subjunctive in the LXX
> (KATAISCUNQHS)
> 
>        Participle = 13
>              AXWN = Acts 22:5
>              APODWSONTES = Heb. 13:17
>              GENHSOMENON = 1Cor. 15:37
>              ESOMENON = Luke 22:49
>              KAKWSWN = 1Pet. 3:13
>              KATAKRINWN = Rom. 8:34
>              LALHQHSOMENWN = Heb. 3:5
>              PARADWSWN = John 6:64
>              POIHSWN = Acts 24:17
>              PROSKUNHSWN = Acts 8:27, 24:11
>              SUNANTHSONTA = Acts 20:22
>              SWSWN = Matt. 27:49
> 
>       Infinitive = 5
>              EISELEUSESQAI = Heb. 3:18
>              ESESQAI = 4
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Joe Weaks
> 
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