[B-Greek] Revelation 12:7
Bart Torbert
Bart.Torbert at ihsenergy.com
Thu Apr 8 15:54:06 EDT 2004
If there is such a Jewish construct can we assume something about the
actual writing of the text. Was it in Hebrew and translated into Greek?
Was it written by someone who was more comfortable with Hebrew and tried to
write Greek, but did so poorly?
Bart Torbert
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"Arie Dirkzwager"
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04/08/2004 01:25 Re: [B-Greek] Revelation 12:7
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Ron,
The nominative followed by TOU and an infinitive can be found in the LXX:
Hos 9: 13, Eccl 3: 15, 1Chron 9: 25.
It is an adaptation of a construction in Hebrew, where we find the logical
subject (of the act expressed by the following infinitive) followed by le-
and infinitive.
See Blass-Debrunner-Rehkopf, Grammatik des neutestamentlichen Griechisch,
par. 400, 10.
Arie
Dr. A. Dirkzwager
Hoeselt, Belgium
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Van: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu>
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Verzonden: donderdag 8 april 2004 16:12
Onderwerp: [B-Greek] Revelation 12:7
> Forwarded for: Ron Snider <ronpt at comcast.net>
> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 09:52:57 -0400
>
> HO MICAHL KAI HOI AGGELOI AUTOU TOU POLEMHSAI META TOU DRAKONTOS
>
> Many have noted that the grammar in Rev. 12:7 is "clumsy" (their words,
> not mine), but one must wonder why the apparent subjects of the
> infinitives are in the nominative case. My suspicion is that Michael is
> indeclinable, and is the form used throughout the LXX, and that since he
> is the primary subject of the infinitive the aggelos were nominative
> simply by attraction, but will certainly be open to looking at other
> options.
> I would also like to get any ideas on what verb, if any, was elided
> before the infinitive.
>
> Theologically, I would like any responses (OFF-LIST ONLY, of course) as
to
> whether or not Michael instigated this war (active infinitive), and
> one's general overall take on this verse. I am confident of the timing,
> so please don't bother with that issue.
>
> thanks in advance,
>
> Ron Snider
>
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